@ turbo

[Steve]

Is it really a hottie, or just random?

If random, what good does reseting do?

[Steve]

Turbo thanks for your explanation but it's just saying after a few repeats, a number is more likely to spin. But this is untrue.

[Turner]

Thanks for reading

Thanks for typing all that

Ive done nothing else for years now. This genre. Attacking repeats.

My issue is that many cycles never get past 2 repeats, i.e, all the repeats only hit twice, and there are many of them...12 or so (I think Madi referred to this)

So if you "win every time" you must keep going even though theres a big drawdown (in the above example)

or...in other words, you must keep going over several cycles.

This is where I am intersted.

1. have you always "won" in a fixed set of cycles, or can it be between say, 2 cycles and 7?

2. When you say "won", could you be only 6 units up after 5 cycles? (still a win)

(I think people confuse "I never lose" with "I make megga bucks every sitting")

[wiggy]

After reading TG's in-depth post above, I will give my take on how I think it is roughly played.
The basic rules appear to be to wait until a number appears twice and then place a chip on that number.
If a number appears for the third time, add a further chip and keep repeating in this fashion for the rest of the cycle.

Here is the first chart of 37 spins and the results of following the above criteria.

[RouletteGhost]

We know what he is doing

Just not how

I don't think the how is important

The what is what's important

No matter how you slice the cake we are betting repeaters, not numbers that haven't been hit this cycle

[wiggy]

This part is for the second cycle (spins 38 to 74) and this is where my interpretation comes into play.
What I think happens is that now you will only attack numbers that have so far had 3 hits.
Why? Because in the first cycle you were only betting on numbers that had appeared at least twice.
So carrying on with this line of thinking, you would now only bet numbers that had appeared 3 times for the start of the second cycle.
Number 6 which hit 5 times in the first cycle would now revert from a 4 chip bet to a 3 chip bet.
The few other numbers that had appeared 3 times will revert to a 1 chip bet.
Of course the bets will rise again as and when any of these numbers hit.

Here is the chart for the second lot of 37 spins and the results.

[Madi]

@ wiggy

About the second cycle. What happen about the statement bet every number that landed on the table. If you only bet 3 hit on second cycle it is very possible that the 3 hit going down and other 2 hits number coming up with 3 hit may be 4 hit.you need to bet after 1st for every cycle.

[wiggy]

Madi, I see what you saying. Hot numbers can quickly turn cold and vice versa.
One thing about all this is the ease of playing in a live casino. I think it would be pretty difficult playing too many numbers with different chip sizes.
Here is a longer chart similar to the couple that I posted up several days ago. This one covers 10 cycles.
If you add up the numbers below expectation and the ones hitting expectation, it is sometimes adding up to 60% of the total at the end of a cycle.
Meaning the other 40% is taken up by the numbers hitting solely above expectation. Is this the variance factor in play?
Surely it makes more sense to play only the numbers above expectation as TG suggests and it also covers his point that if there are any bias numbers in play, you are more than likely to be on them and avoid the pockets that donate to the bias, 'hot' numbers. These can also run in cycles (so I believe) according to different characteristics and could play into this cycle theory nicely. Just my thoughts, I could be wrong. Maybe TG will see this and comment.

[Madi]

Got ur point wiggy. U saying better playing the number performing above expectation. Ok lets make in shorter. I will give you 10 number and telling you at least you get 3 doublehit in 37 spin. With a positive progression how can we catch these whatever the spin sequence are?

[Bettingking]

Interesting....as a comparision:
If we bet 1 unit on each number that appears according to your example the result would be:
First 37 = +306 units
continuing on with no reset second 37 = +484 or with reset then +342

TOTAL = +790 units if continued
TOTAL = +648 units (2 single sessions clearing board after first 37 spins)

But of course this result would not happen every 2 cycles (74 spins) and losses would occur
Using 2 samples is not really saying a lot about consistency and the less samples the more luck takes a part (my opinion)
Also I would take profit after a certain number of spins and profit level so the greed level would kick in with some players.
This could have just as easily turned the other way with losses

[denzie]

One thing about all this is the ease of playing in a live casino. I think it would be pretty difficult playing too many numbers with different chip sizes.

[wiggy]

Here are my second test results of cycle 1 and cycle 2.
Not a disaster by any means with just the -8 loss.
The idea of only betting numbers above the expectation does seem to limit the bets to short of a dozen numbers which probably just about makes it playable.
These numbers were taken from Table 1 at Wiesbaden 01/02/17. The number 25 hits another 6 times over the next available 58 spins (within 2 cycles) taking it's tally to 11 hits within 4 cycles. Meaning in cycle 3, number 25 would be staked at 2 units followed by 3 units and then 4 units. Cycle 4 would see number 25 staked at 3, 4 and 5 units. I think that's more than enough hits to take the whole thing into a decent profit. I will finish them 2 cycles of later. That's the thing looking at my other charts. After 10 cycles, you can sometimes see several numbers with some decent hits. But just one hitting nicely above expectation like the number 25 in this instance and it appears to be ok.

[wiggy]

I made a mistake in the second chart above regarding the number 1 and number 18.
On cycle 2, I needed to be betting all numbers that had 3 hits. Number 1 and number 18 never appeared at all. I forgot to include them in the results.
So that's and added 72 unit loss taking the grand total over the 2 cycles to -80.
I am working on cycles 3 and 4 now.

[Madi]

Wiggy

Waiting for the result of 3 and 4 cycle. Lets see how it goes. But say to get plus playing around 150 spin doesnt worth. Turbo might have something special that we cant get. But either way negetive or positive both progression requiring big bank

[wiggy]

At the end of the 3rd cycle, I am down 249 units.
Personally speaking, I wouldn't enjoy playing something like this. No disrespect to it's creator.
I also think I would have steam coming out of my ears trying to work out all the bets, lol. But then it's always the same. The author can play his own method without blinking. It doesn't mean the rest of us can. I am putting up the 3rd cycle chart and leaving it at that. Hopefully one day Turbo will share his strategy in full. I don't think I got the progression part right for a start. Mine isn't exactly an aggressive progression as TG suggests. I appreciate TG's efforts in providing some clues. It was fun to have a look at it.