@ turbo

[nottophammer]

Mr P this is 1st 10 spins, of 517 games the 10/10, not repeated, of the 123 games, spin 11 was a repeat and happened 38 times.
So we can see its more likely a 1x will go to 2x in 1st 10 spins, what did winkel show with reference point 13, you/I could see a # could have hit twice.
Now comes the but, the 1x's that go to 2x's, that have now been increased can keep growing eating BR, on many posted GUT sheets we can see 2x's go 3x after 20th spin.

[nottophammer]

Entry point
If we are to bet hot #'s then #'s that have hit twice, the decision is do you wait for 20 spins or bet when one goes a 2x, hoping for an early hit.
Priyanka posted an excel sheet that you load the spins and shows where the repeats come, it was for me to use in KTF, but you can easily see the repeating #'s,
Its in Green and taotie dont like green 

[Pogo]

Then u r genious . Turbo win in couple of 37 spin cycle and u win in only one cycle. Very good . Show us some graph

In fact u r the first person that i have seen saying playing repeater in 37 spin you can win 99 %. Happy to follow you. Show us some more

Read the threads I outlined.

Nottphammer, you have always been the closest of everyone on this board with your way of playing.

Have fun all, this is too frustrating for me and time for bed.  I am regretting even trying to help now.

[Madi]

Thats been done even before u start reading

[Madi]

And turbo didnt claim he can win within first 37 spin . And dont refer to him.

[falkor2k15]

OK you play your way, but from what you have stated so far it is not how TurboGenius does, if your way wins, well done.

He is getting closer and he has quoted the most relevant part towards getting it.

"In a 37(European Roulette)/38 (American Roulette) spin cycle, there are going to be 3-5 numbers hit more than twice."

Anyone who does not understand after reading the posts I outlined and the above quote, never will.

I hope I've done a good job here of separating the facts from the variance avoidance/money management crap. I think the concepts discussed here could help Turbo and others profit - but rather than variance or MM being the key to capitalizing on repeats - I would go as far as to say it's none of those but actually bringing in a parallel stream whose mention (so far) has been totally omitted. Here's an example of a parallel stream we could track alongside numbers:
1) Number positions/distances
2) Corners or splits

Without any of those I seriously doubt Turbo (or anyone) could come up with a winning strategy. Certainly that's the case playing for 1 repeat in 37 spins, but since we are playing for 2-4 repeats in 37 spins, I guess without further testing, I am not in a position to dismiss the existence of a more simpler strategy.

[RouletteGhost]

At the end of the day I don't think turbo is lying

He is a straight up guy

If he says he is winning with repeaters I take his word for it

You however, are full of bullshit. Always have been. All goes back to your "millionaires system"

I feel bad for your forum members.

[nottophammer]

I actually have something else important to do but I did say I would explain it again so here we are.

I'll use another example but you'll have to use your imagination for some parts, don't worry - it will make sense when you're done reading.

We walk up after someone plays a session of 38 spins (0/00 wheel)
Lucky for us we can see every spin that happened in that session.
(I'll just run these off RNG just for the sake of explanation)
13 numbers never appeared
17 numbers showed up once
5 numbers showed up twice
1 number showed up three times
2 numbers showed up four times.

I can simplify this if it helps :
13 numbers never appeared.
25 numbers showed up at least once

8 of those numbers showed up at least twice
3 of those numbers showed up at least three times
2 numbers showed up four times.

But anyway - either way it's the same.
So I look at you and say "If you could go back in time and play these same spins, what would you do ?" and here I have a time machine (how convenient - I told you there's some imagination here)
Now you're going to give me some obvious answers I hope ?
You wouldn't bet a single thing on the 13 numbers that never appeared (why on earth would you ?)
You "could" bet on the numbers that showed up only once - but you would lose on those numbers Remember this line
exactly at the house edge - so a bit silly of an idea. But that's up to you.
You Certainly would bet on the numbers that showed up twice - those 5 numbers would be a nice profit maker.
You Most Certainly would bet on the numbers that showed up three times ! - very nice profit from those.
And you would be a fool not to bet on the numbers that showed up four times !

So what kind of money would you put on them ?
Well, common sense would tell you that they all make profit regardless - but my time machine isn't going to be around in the future so you're going to have to make some choices.
You'll bet a minimal amount on the numbers that had 1 show What was said above,what did reply 270 show, more repeats happen in a games 1st 10 spins,These 1X's are not really hot are they, r they not hot when they hit twice?Decision time, do you wait 8 spins and see if Vaddi's missed the boat, wait to see if goes 10/10, or wait for a number to hit twice,
You'd bet more on the 2 show numbers
You'd bet even more on the 3 show numbers and
You'd bet a LOT on the 4 show numbers... This is a aggressive progression
and you're not worried because with the time machine you can't lose.

So all of this makes sense - and the naysayers can say "well we don't have a time machine".
And guess what - you don't need one.
I made this clear in other posts - those numbers that appeared 4 times were numbers that had appeared 3 times.
Those numbers that appeared 3 times were only numbers that appeared 2 times
and the numbers that appeared 2 times were only numbers that appeared once.
All of the numbers that never appeared ? They never appeared.......
Use the same logic on the next 38 spins that you don't know.... correct ? It's not rocket science.
You can say "There's no way of knowing the next spin..." and that is correct.
You can say "There's no way of knowing that a number with 1 show is going to be a number that has 2 or more shows" - and that is correct. BUT - the only numbers that will have 2 shows are numbers that appeared once. See ?
Steve rightly said that systems are useless.. "If accuracy of bet selection doesn't increase, no progression can consistently win."
Now your accuracy just increased (and greatly).
As a matter of fact - by NOT betting on numbers that never show you are no longer playing/winning/losing at the house edge.
You can test this - it's not hard to do. I did it at the other forum as an example.
Play every number on the table for 38 spins - you'll end at the house edge.
Play every number on the table but only once it shows - you won't end at the house edge.
Play every number on the table but only after it shows twice - again - you won't win/lose at the house edge.
You can continue this on for quite a while.
The "house edge" on a 38 pocket wheel is 2 numbers.
If you play every number on the table for 38 spins, you will be down 2 units - this is the house edge.
However - if you play every number Except for the last 2 numbers that end up appearing (this could be 150 spins or more ? it varies) You never play at the house edge at all.
For those who want to test things - there's where to begin.
The aggressive progression not only covers the numbers that appear "at average" if you choose to play them - it boosts your profits beyond flat betting and does not involve chasing a loss or digging out of a hole - it's not a negative progression, it's a positive one based on wins.

Thanks for reading, I can only hope this sinks in - and if not then you're on your own.

So Turbs is not wrong, i use a 37 #'d wheel, i'd hope you've looked at GUT and got an understanding of when the non-hits cross, but in GUT you wont be looking for repeats, if you use the paper tracker you'll get to visualise where the repeats happen, where/when 1x's go 2x's then3,4X's.
In KTF, does  countback not show how fast non-hits come, remember when you start all 37 are now due, being the larger group, why should they not go 10 or even 15 consecutive wins, if your waiting for a 2 hit you'll have spent nothing,only your time, lets say 15 spins have gone and all where non-hit, only 22 more spins, whats usual for 37 spins 23/24/25 numbers to show once, so when your 2X shows how many spins will 2x's grow before they go 3X, you are going to have to test or use shown data

[denzie]

In a 37(European Roulette)/38 (American Roulette) spin cycle, there are going to be 3-5 numbers hit more than twice.

On average 3. But what you gonna do if it's only 1 or nothing at all 

[denzie]

Pogo....Thats Not how TG plays.
How many test you've done ?

[nottophammer]

Hi ya Ausguy, been a while since we crossed swords, hope you are well.

Here is 3 games from MPR today, not all at the same time, bit scruffy, but its gone from 5109 to 5472 using a starting unit of $1,

I just watch the spins/ trot, bet on non-hit or for a repeat indicated by countback, taking into account avg to hit for non-hit and if non-hit are fast, bet for repeat, biggest bet was for the 28th non-hit in 2nd game of 60 spins, why the bet for the 28th, reason is 26 have come in 40 spins, avg for 60 spins is 30 non-hit,so 4 more in 20 spins, and as you see got 29 in 60 spins,

Average, gives chance for both non-hit and repeats, you just need to learn the trot, you like that Priyanka, Notto's on about the trot again

[nottophammer]

Just looked at the sheet, 9/10, 10/10,9/10 look at the 10/10 spin 11 repeat, what did i say in reply 270 about 10/10, look at spin 12 hot

[celescliff]

Here are some stats. All these are individual sets of 10 million spins.

In 37 spins to expect a third hit:
Number of spins: 9999990
Number of cycles of 37 spins: 270270
Cycles with three hits: 265475 / 270270
Percentage: 98%

In 74 spins to expect a fourth hit:
Number of spins: 9999990
Number of cycles of 74 spins: 135135
Cycles with four hits: 135122 / 135135
Percentage: 99%

In 111 spins to expect a fifth hit:
Number of spins: 9999990
Number of cycles of 111 spins: 90090
Cycles with five hits: 90090 / 90090
Percentage: 100%

In 111 spins to expect a sixth hit:
In 74 spins to expect a sixth hit:
Number of spins: 9999990
Number of cycles of 111 spins: 90090
Cycles with six hits: 90090 / 90090
Percentage: 100%

[probasah]

Here are some stats. All these are individual sets of 10 million spins.

In 37 spins to expect a third hit:
Number of spins: 9999990
Number of cycles of 37 spins: 270270
Cycles with three hits: 265475 / 270270
Percentage: 98%

In 74 spins to expect a fourth hit:
Number of spins: 9999990
Number of cycles of 74 spins: 135135
Cycles with four hits: 135122 / 135135
Percentage: 99%

In 111 spins to expect a fifth hit:
Number of spins: 9999990
Number of cycles of 111 spins: 90090
Cycles with five hits: 90090 / 90090
Percentage: 100%

In 111 spins to expect a sixth hit:
In 74 spins to expect a sixth hit:
Number of spins: 9999990
Number of cycles of 111 spins: 90090
Cycles with six hits: 90090 / 90090
Percentage: 100%

Any 37/37 singles showing up in the 10 million spins ? ( sleepers) How about :ZERO

Repeaters are the way to go.

[celescliff]

Any 37/37 singles showing up in the 10 million spins ? ( sleepers) How about :ZERO

Repeaters are the way to go.

Yes this is any single number and zero is also included (as it should always be).