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[3Nine]

Hi 3Nine, what do you mean what math? Basic probability.

That quote applies to psychology, which is about subjectivity. There are such things as objective facts too which are beyond opinion.

Actually, it's a fact of life but we don't need to get into that here. 

What if there's something that uses math but cannot be proven (via formal proof), yet?  So, it's no longer an opinion because it works (fact).   Just a thought... oh, there we go again being subjective, I guess.

[falkor2k15]

I'm having one last look at number repeat levels across 37 spins:
R1 12 R2 16
R1 5 R2 18 R3 30
R1 13 R2 26
R1 8 R2 18
R1 8 R2 24 R3 31
R1 10 R2 23 R3 36
R1 8 R2 15 R3 20
R1 6 R2 7 R3 14 R4 17
R1 8 R2 25
R1 7 R2 16 R3 25 R4 30
R1 3 R2 29
R1 5 R2 16 R3 34
R1 2 R2 15 R3 31
R1 6 R2 19 R3 32
R1 10 R2 11 R3 33
R1 13 R2 18
R1 5 R2 10 R3 22
R1 12 R2 13
R1 5 R2 10 R3 14 R4 31
R1 8 R2 12 R3 35
R1 9 R2 25
R1 9 R2 18 R3 24
R1 10 R2 16 R3 26
R1 8 R2 14 R3 36
R1 12 R2 23
R1 2 R2 25 R3 36
R1 11 R2 18

All seem to be having 2 repeats. Most get to 3 repeats and some get to 4 repeats (2nd column is spin number).

[Moxy]

Why do members think certain people are "authorities"? Only because they claim they have the HG. They say that this doesn't work or that doesn't work, but they never tell you what does work, only drop vague hints. I consider the number 1 authority to be math, because it's always right. 

And the rule about no baiting has nothing to do with socialism. It doesn't say if you have the HG you should post it because everyone has the "right" to know it, only that IF you claim you have but only post endless hints, you should expect to be moderated.

Armchair psych take:

Anyone who gives a term and price for a purportedly hg is instantly a fraud.  If it's too cheap, we all know it's phony; if it's a million dollars, they're clearly insane since it doesn't exist.

Anyone who seemingly layout their system template for all to see, is for some reason, seen as potentially pure and honest and given a chance to prove himself.  Cause hey, maybe it does exist.

Yet there is zero correlation from legitimacy to whether they prefer to share or put a money value to it. 

Free = we very could have the hg here folks.
Not free = scam - don't even bother.

Def of insanity, exercise in futility, cuckoo... Cuckoo....

P.s.  Is it wrong to admit that, subconsciously, folks want things relatively easily no matter how far reaching it could be, e.g.,  millions of dollars, the hg, Kate Upton.  Unless your Tom Cruise, some chap who cracked the code, or Justin Verlander (rich pro baseball player shagging Kate) respectively, it may be a tad of a stretch.  Yet we soldier on.  (Editorial we)

[falkor2k15]

Here you go cht, the ones you requested:

In 37 spins to expect a fourth hit:
Number of spins: 9999990
Number of cycles of 37 spins: 270270
Cycles with four hits: 134963 / 270270
Percentage: 49%

In 74 spins to expect a fifth hit:
Number of spins: 9999990
Number of cycles of 74 spins: 135135
Cycles with five hits: 122565 / 135135
Percentage: 90%

I think this topic has a lot of stats that are not really useful - just leads everyone astray - and I've been getting lots of emails from people running around like headless chickens trying to crack Turbo's method. We know that we can expect 4x to get to 5x in 74 spins or 2s to get to 3s in 37 spins, but the crucial thing that everyone seems oblivious to: sometimes it could take less than 10 spins - other times more than 20 spins - so any progression is going to reach table limits and eat the BR; just subtract the spins below from right to left:

R2   18   R3   30
R2   24   R3   31
R2   23   R3   36
R2   15   R3   20
R2   7   R3   14
R2   16   R3   25
R2   16   R3   34
R2   15   R3   31
R2   19   R3   32
R2   11   R3   33
R2   10   R3   22
R2   10   R3   14
R2   12   R3   35
R2   18   R3   24
R2   16   R3   26
R2   14   R3   36
R2   25   R3   36
R2   17   R3   32
R2   26   R3   36
R2   26   R3   29
R2   17   R3   21
R2   24   R3   30
R2   21   R3   29
R2   21   R3   22
R2   5   R3   35
R2   22   R3   28
R2   16   R3   26
R2   14   R3   22
R2   18   R3   36
R2   20   R3   28

Let's take 2x to 3x:
Download simulation...

We need to be asking ourselves 3 important questions - and they have nothing to do with progressions:
1) Can we figure out whether we should continue betting 2s to 3s or stop betting depending on the trot?
2) Should we bet all the numbers at repeat level 2 or just the earliest or most recent ones?
3) Can the previous cycle help us with the current cycle in terms of variance?

Again, just take a look at the above sim and watch each attempt per cycle at trying to catch a repeat on the 2s to the first 3. Is there something here that can be exploited?

[Turner]

Falkor...I dont know how you come to your conclusions on Turbos play...in fact...I dont understand your conclusions...infact..I dont get anything you say really
Having spoke with TG on a few occasions he picks set of numbers and plays them for 38 spins.
He states that adding to the winners isnt enough, per se, to pay for the un hitting numbers by using a mild progression.
At the cycle end he makes changes by reducing (or clearing) numbers hitting on or below average. He uses a progression on the numbers hittin above average

Does he re add to the removed numbers during the second cycle? I dont know
What is his progression? I dont know

How old are you?....you dont know 

[RouletteGhost]

Falkor...I dont know how you come to your conclusions on Turbos play...in fact...I dont understand your conclusions...infact..I dont get anything you say really

Turner. I am sure you have by now figured out that this is by design

[falkor2k15]

Now you know how I feel when Notto posts something - yet he doesn't get any flack! 

As #winkel used to say: "watch the trot, fellas!" 

8   0s   0s   0s   R1   0s   0s   R2   7                                                                                    
8   R1   0s   0s   R1   0s   0s   0s   R1   R2   9                                                                              
6   R1   R1   0s   0s   0s   R1   0s   0s   R1   0s   0s   0s   0s   R1   0s   0s   R1   0s   0s   R2   20                                             
5   0s   0s   0s   0s   0s   R1   R1   R2   8                                                                                 
1   0s   0s   0s   0s   0s   0s   R1   0s   R1   R1   R1   0s   R1   R1   0s   0s   0s   0s   R2   19                                                
1   0s   0s   0s   R2   4                                                                                             
8   R1   0s   R1   0s   R1   R1   R1   0s   R2   9                                                                              
7   R2   1                                                                                                      
8   R1   0s   0s   0s   0s   R1   R1   0s   0s   R1   0s   R2   12                                                                     
3   R1   0s   0s   R1   0s   0s   0s   0s   0s   0s   R1   R2   12                                                                     
12   0s   0s   0s   R1   R1   R1   0s   0s   0s   0s   R1   R1   0s   0s   R1   0s   R2   17                                                      
2   0s   0s   0s   0s   0s   0s   R1   0s   R1   0s   R1   0s   R2   13                                                                  
2   0s   0s   0s   0s   0s   R1   0s   0s   0s   0s   R1   0s   0s   R1   R1   R2   16                                                         
9   0s   0s   0s   0s   0s   0s   0s   R1   R1   R1   R1   R1   0s   R1   R2   15                                                            
11   0s   0s   R1   0s   R1   0s   0s   R1   0s   0s   R2   11                                                                        
1   R2   1                                                                                                      
11   0s   0s   0s   0s   0s   R1   R1   0s   0s   R1   0s   0s   R1   R1   0s   0s   R1   0s   R2   19                                                
2   0s   0s   R1   R1   0s   0s   0s   R1   R1   R2   10                                                                              

[Turner]

seriously Falkor, and no disrespect intended but what the fuck does all that mean.

I really will listen if you explain it.

[Steve]

It's the trot. What's the trot? Nobody knows.

[falkor2k15]

seriously Falkor, and no disrespect intended but what the f*** does all that mean.

I really will listen if you explain it.

Trot(definition): distribution behaviour re: each permutation of random numbers.

Not my word - was used by other members long before I came here...

[DoctorSudoku]

What if there's something that uses math but cannot be proven (via formal proof), yet?  So, it's no longer an opinion because it works (fact).   

That is a valid point.

The most conspicuous example that I can think of (that is roulette-related) is the Law of the Thirds (LOTT).

The LOTT cannot be rigorously proved mathematically -- but it is an empirical fact that can be observed in nearly all samples of 38-number cycles.

Whether it can be practically exploited to construct a consistently winning betting method is a different matter.

[falkor2k15]

Here's an excerpt from the GUT ebook:

[ozon]

One more concept of hot numbers game.
We want to play numbers that are hot now, in play only numbers that hit 2 times in the last 10 spins by 25 spins, so we only play hot numbers that are hot at the moment. Numbers will not be much.
And so I suppose, by playing a flat rate, we have no edge in long run.
In the TURBO method, the progression is still unknown.

[DoctorSudoku]

Now you know how I feel when Notto posts something - yet he doesn't get any flack! 

Gilius-Falkor,
I agree -- Nottop's tables (because of the accompanying explanations) are as abstruse as the stuff that you post, yet you get much more flak for your efforts than he does.

Of course, one mitigating factor that works in Nottop's favor is that he doesn't advocate flat earth-related stuff ad nauseam as you do.

[maestro]

trot

verb
1.
(with reference to a horse or other quadruped) proceed or cause to proceed at a pace faster than a walk, lifting each diagonal pair of legs alternately.
"the horses trotted slowly through the night"
2.
(of a person) run at a moderate pace with short steps.
"the child trotted across to her obediently"
synonyms:   run, jog, jogtrot, dogtrot, lope; More
noun
1.
a trotting pace.
"our horses slowed to a trot"
2.
informal
diarrhoea.





could mean <informal>2<.......