@ turbo

[Steve]

 Why doesnt someone program the trot algorithm in rx then run a meaningful test? Then we can know if it's a waste of time.

[RouletteGhost]

define waste of time

if someone does it for 2 years successfully and is in profit then who cares what 1 million spins (which we will never play) says

[RouletteGhost]

"Your method is winning you money but it does not matter and does not count because you will never play enough spins that will make it lose (worth your while) "

sorry, not seeing the point of that argument. I am on turbos side with that

"you won but, but, but if you played for 3 million spins you would lose"

Caleb also loves this argument. But it is a stupid argument. " You did not play enough spins!"

if the method is effective in the short term and the variance that would make it lose requires a million spins THEN WHO CARES

[falkor2k15]

Why do members think certain people are "authorities"? Only because they claim they have the HG. They say that this doesn't work or that doesn't work, but they never tell you what does work, only drop vague hints. I consider the number 1 authority to be math, because it's always right. 

reddwarf is the undisputed master of Roulette! If you thought you knew maths, this guy is on some next level... but logic and problem solving is more important. Red can play both normal and opposite each spin, shifted by 1, and break even each time - but profit on every repeat! When Red ain't playing Roulette, he's probably working on this project instead:

You get me? Manz don't know innit... Manz ain't ready! 

[Turner]

Here's an excerpt from the GUT ebook:

Actually, thanks. That is concise.

It could be also described like-a-dis

slow trot - distribution below expectation
fast trot - distribution above expectation
as predicted trot - normal distribution

[Turner]

If you thought you knew maths, this guy is on some next level.

lol....you cant even work out the difference between 1981 and 2017

[DoctorSudoku]

if someone does it for 2 years successfully and is in profit then who cares what 1 million spins (which we will never play) says

But do they -- in actuality?

A lot of similar claims have been made in these forums over the years, so it is a justified question.

[Turner]

if the method is effective in the short term and the variance that would make it lose requires a million spins THEN WHO CARES

but you dont know where you are in that million

I stand you on a trapdoor with sharp spikes below, hell, I'll throw a few walkers from the walking dead in there too.

I then tell you I will give you $100 if you stand on the trap door for 5 mins.

I then tell you it opens every 2 hours. Any questions?

"Yes, when did it last open?"........I reply "I dont know"

(I can hear them groaning..."errrrrrgh....errrrrrgh")

[DoctorSudoku]

An addendum to my previous post:

A  certain former president used to say, "Trust but verify."

There is nothing wrong with applying the above quote in this context / situation.

[RouletteGhost]

but you dont know where you are in that million

I stand you on a trapdoor with sharp spikes below, hell, I'll throw a few walkers from the walking dead in there too.

I then tell you I will give you $100 if you stand on the trap door for 5 mins.

I then tell you it opens every 2 hours. Any questions?

"Yes, when did it last open?"........I reply "I dont know"

true

but i see the not enough spins argument as rubbish

example: i do not play ktf, but I know the kind of guy notto is. i will take his word that hes been winning with it

who cares about 72 million spins

[Turner]

i do not play ktf, but I know the kind of guy notto is. i will take his word that hes been winning with it

I do worry about people who keep saying they win with a system that  clearly fails to the HE

In fairness, Notto has reported failures many times.

[Turner]

but you dont know where you are in that million

I stand you on a trapdoor with sharp spikes below, hell, I'll throw a few walkers from the walking dead in there too.

I then tell you I will give you $100 if you stand on the trap door for 5 mins.

I then tell you it opens every 2 hours. Any questions?

"Yes, when did it last open?"........I reply "I dont know"

(I can hear them groaning..."errrrrrgh....errrrrrgh")

Now make my trapdoor random and opening every 2 hours on average every 1 million hours

[nottophammer]

In fairness, Notto has reported failures many times.

Yes it gets caught, to the suggested 50/-800, but in trying something i did say 4000 units would be what would be best to have as br, The tester Pryi gave me is excellent and with the stop loss not there it almost never losses.
I use Morts #'s and it does ok, spins posted in real roulette spins for german casinos does ok, but like in the KTF topic some member said just take the 1st profit, and he or she is not wrong, dont matter what method the longer you stay the more chance of crash and burn

[nottophammer]

Had 200+ spins on MPR trying for repeats and the spins where as smooth as you could get, nothing broke away, hit the tier then be in the neighbour to zero back down a couple in tier.
1st 28 spins 2 repeats

[cht]

We need to be asking ourselves 3 important questions - and they have nothing to do with progressions:
1) Can we figure out whether we should continue betting 2s to 3s or stop betting depending on the trot?

1. Watching the trot is to watch the deviation as the spin unfolds. The idea is to bet for mean reversion. 2. You have various trots of unhits to hits, hit's to repeat1, repeat1 to repeat2, repeat2 to repeat 3 and so on. 3. The deeper you get, eg. repeat 2 to repeat3 and further out, the trot is more dispersed. 4. I don't see how the trot can help figure out the right decision to make. I see only random.

2) Should we bet all the numbers at repeat level 2 or just the earliest or most recent ones?

Test both types of bets separately, they're different sets of bet. If you're looking at earliest/recent, earliest is the better choice.

3) Can the previous cycle help us with the current cycle in terms of variance?

No, it can't.

Again, just take a look at the above sim and watch each attempt per cycle at trying to catch a repeat on the 2s to the first 3. Is there something here that can be exploited?

Based on just the 2s trot, not that I've seen there's nothing there to exploit, just plain random.