@ turbo

[cht]

Why doesnt someone program the trot algorithm in rx then run a meaningful test? Then we can know if it's a waste of time.

The trot described in post #566 does not help, it's a waste of time. If it was anything, many would have seen the use with the various trot trackers posted on the forums. At best it gives the 'feel' of providing the better guess since we get to see the real spins versus the binomial distribution with the tendency for mean reversion to kick in. It's random.

[cht]

define waste of time

if someone does it for 2 years successfully and is in profit then who cares what 1 million spins (which we will never play) says

I don't see the possibility of long term success. If a significant number of people use this original method to play the game, there's always those who got lucky to be in profit. And it doesn't need 1 million spins(probably 10k ?) to know it fails.

[Steve]

Exactly. Proper testing separates luck and legitimate effectiveness.

[nottophammer]

The trot described in post #566 does not help, it's a waste of time.yes,it only shows repeats happened, which we know has to happen. If it was anything, many would have seen the use with the various trot trackers posted on the forums. At best it gives the 'feel'you need to track manually, to feel the trot. of providing the better guess since we get to see the real spins versus the binomial distribution with the tendency for mean reversion to kick in. It's random. but you can follow random, if you know what to look for.

Now a stupid sentence, why non-hit. Well it's obvious, when you start to play the 1st of the due 37#'s appears. How does that 1 spin help you, on outside bets? so more spins are needed.
anyway here's a take of how i watch the invisible trot, 1st 7 replies, to understand the trot, to me you need to feel whats going on, you only get that from experiance and your studying of 40 to 60 spins.
Why does 15.8 non-hit in spins 11-40 not change now, why do i see on that sheet 60 spins has avg of constant 30.5, it seems to good, drop the point, 15 non-hit in 30 spins and 30 in 60 spins.

So look at the 7 replies in link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=18360.0 if you know the non-hits averages your on your way to winning, took a lot of studying methods and watching how the non-hit affect these methods, as i said for Turner last night i have had my fingers burnt along the way, but my biggets lightbulb moment came when reading GUT and to understand the crossings of non-hits i had to make a paper tracker, which i have posted with plenty of examples of the trot.
Only thing with GUT its waiting for the crossings and unless you r as smart as Mr Winkel and can watch umpteen sheets its slow, thats why i learnt the trot to see when and if a bet is favourable, be it a non-hit or for repeats.

That sheet on the opening page of ROTT is brilliant, look how old the post is, theres the avg, that avg is everywhere, Morts #'s, others posted spins, and that avg is there.
So good luck.

[nottophammer]

In fairness, Notto has reported failures many times.

Turner and RG. This is a losing game of KTF, but it can be a winning Game, but you need the Units.
I'm not trying to justify KTF, take from it what you want, but if you except that the larger group is more likely to show, then that makes you bet non-hit, untill the 1x's get big enough to become a problem,
So again you need to know the 37 non-hits, averages.


So this is the loser, but you could jump upto the 26th spins with various profits. But look at the non-hit count, at 26th spin we bet 20 #'s, now theres 19 left, so its 50/50 the 1x's could start to be a nuisance, so upto the 19th they avg to hit in 2 spins, its now missed the avg you look up the max to hit, your just watching you've let 2 spins go, if you started to bet, 4th bet win.


So here we can see it climbs out the hole.
At spin 40 the non-hit are behind to countback, we're having to bet 16 non-hit, but we should have been only having to bet 14 if the 15 had come in spins 11-40. So -2 on the expected 15.
Now how many usually come in 60 spins 30.5 of the buggers. you see we're betting 16 so 21 have come, so if 30 come by 60th spin are we going to see 9 more come, answer yes as the 60th spin the the 8 is a winner, leaving just 7 to bet, so theres the 30 in 60 spins.

Now them repeats are not big blocks, what are the avg to hit and max, know that and you can walk a winner.

[falkor2k15]

We need to be asking ourselves 3 important questions - and they have nothing to do with progressions:
1) Can we figure out whether we should continue betting 2s to 3s or stop betting depending on the trot?

1. Watching the trot is to watch the deviation as the spin unfolds. The idea is to bet for mean reversion. 2. You have various trots of unhits to hits, hit's to repeat1, repeat1 to repeat2, repeat2 to repeat 3 and so on. 3. The deeper you get, eg. repeat 2 to repeat3 and further out, the trot is more dispersed. 4. I don't see how the trot can help figure out the right decision to make. I see only random.

2) Should we bet all the numbers at repeat level 2 or just the earliest or most recent ones?

Test both types of bets separately, they're different sets of bet. If you're looking at earliest/recent, earliest is the better choice.

3) Can the previous cycle help us with the current cycle in terms of variance?

No, it can't.

Again, just take a look at the above sim and watch each attempt per cycle at trying to catch a repeat on the 2s to the first 3. Is there something here that can be exploited?

Based on just the 2s trot, not that I've seen there's nothing there to exploit, just plain random.

You sound like a shill trying to stop the public from discovering the golden goose! Don't worry. Since nobody even knows about the flat earth, ignores all factual evidence that is posted about the flat earth and roulette, they certainly won't listen to anything I say, so there's no danger.

[nottophammer]

Here you are the sheet, no need to lie, or be fooling my self.
3/8/17 +50 spin 15
4//8/17 lose but you could win
5/8/17 +57 spin 16

[falkor2k15]

So look at the 7 replies in link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=18360.0 if you know the non-hits averages your on your way to winning, took a lot of studying methods and watching how the non-hit affect these methods, as i said for Turner last night i have had my fingers burnt along the way, but my biggets lightbulb moment came when reading GUT and to understand the crossings of non-hits i had to make a paper tracker, which i have posted with plenty of examples of the trot.
Only thing with GUT its waiting for the crossings and unless you r as smart as Mr Winkel and can watch umpteen sheets its slow, thats why i learnt the trot to see when and if a bet is favourable, be it a non-hit or for repeats.

#Winkel and Notto were right all along - sing along with me: "Trotity trot, trotity trot, the noughts became overtly hot! Merily, merily, merily, merily, the 2s went gently down the stream..."

[cht]

You sound like a shill trying to stop the public from discovering the golden goose! Don't worry. Since nobody even knows about the flat earth, ignores all factual evidence that is posted about the flat earth and roulette, they certainly won't listen to anything I say, so there's no danger.

You asked I answered according to the test I did based solely on unhits, hits, repeat1, repeat2......the binomial distribution and nothing else. If you or anyone else found something different, post clear rules here, I will test it.

As to the parallel streams you suggested earlier, then yes there's something and my tests confirmed it. If you or anyone wants to go down the rabbit hole, this is the path.

[cht]

Now a stupid sentence, why non-hit. Well it's obvious, when you start to play the 1st of the due 37#'s appears. How does that 1 spin help you, on outside bets? so more spins are needed.
anyway here's a take of how i watch the invisible trot, 1st 7 replies, to understand the trot, to me you need to feel whats going on, you only get that from experiance and your studying of 40 to 60 spins.
Why does 15.8 non-hit in spins 11-40 not change now, why do i see on that sheet 60 spins has avg of constant 30.5, it seems to good, drop the point, 15 non-hit in 30 spins and 30 in 60 spins.

So look at the 7 replies in link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=18360.0 if you know the non-hits averages your on your way to winning, took a lot of studying methods and watching how the non-hit affect these methods, as i said for Turner last night i have had my fingers burnt along the way, but my biggets lightbulb moment came when reading GUT and to understand the crossings of non-hits i had to make a paper tracker, which i have posted with plenty of examples of the trot.
Only thing with GUT its waiting for the crossings and unless you r as smart as Mr Winkel and can watch umpteen sheets its slow, thats why i learnt the trot to see when and if a bet is favourable, be it a non-hit or for repeats.

That sheet on the opening page of ROTT is brilliant, look how old the post is, theres the avg, that avg is everywhere, Morts #'s, others posted spins, and that avg is there.
So good luck.

I agree about the non-hits. Repeat1, repeat2 and so on gets a lot more dispersed, I'm sure we all observed that. Colbster, winkel, yourself and some other guys were on that trail 3yrs ago. That thread just went cold, Colbster didn't follow up on the loose end he mentioned about another thread, no progress ?

[nottophammer]

I agree about the non-hits. Repeat1, repeat2 and so on gets a lot more dispersed, I'm sure we all observed that. Colbster, winkel, yourself and some other guys were on that trail 3yrs ago. That thread just went cold, Colbster didn't follow up on the loose end he mentioned about another thread, no progress ?

But what will help to win is keep singing Falkors ditty

[Steve]

You sound like a shill trying to stop the public from discovering the golden goose! Don't worry. Since nobody even knows about the flat earth, ignores all factual evidence that is posted about the flat earth and roulette, they certainly won't listen to anything I say, so there's no danger.

You still dont get it. People dont listen because you are usually very vague and cryptic. And with things you are clear about, you're incorrect.

For example, I asked for your best proof of flat earth crap and you referred me to videos. And with one exception, every piece of proof was a load of shit showing very poor understanding, and pathetic logic. Flat earthers are some of the dumbest people I have ever seen. Its not an attempt to insult. It is a fact.

What i find most alarming is real people still cant see the facts right in front of their face. It shouldnt be so hard.

The only arguments i found valid are the satellite photos. But they are not proof of flat earth. Its more likely something like partial image stitching.

And there is no conspiracy by people here to hide your HG. The truth is simpler... You are wrong, and people explain your mistakes.

[RouletteGhost]

#Winkel and Notto were right all along - sing along with me: "Trotity trot, trotity trot, the noughts became overtly hot! Merily, merily, merily, merily, the 2s went gently down the stream..."

[Moxy]

No baiting - check

No scamming - check

No bravado - check

No selling of system legit or otherwise - check

Endless futile attempts to convince oneself that Turbos method is objective when it's clearly subjective and based on hunches (on what repeats to use prog on) - check

Hopefully he'll make enough for a decent nest egg before it catches up to him if at all.  The rest of you folks, have you even set foot onto an oxygen pumped, cigarette infused atmosphere of the inside of a casino yet or do you just go by what you see on the TV/Internet?

[Turner]

No baiting - check

No scamming - check

No bravado - check

No selling of system legit or otherwise - check

Endless futile attempts to convince oneself that Turbos method is objective when it's clearly subjective and based on hunches (on what repeats to use prog on) - check

Hopefully he'll make enough for a decent nest egg before it catches up to him if at all.  The rest of you folks, have you even set foot onto an oxygen pumped, cigarette infused atmosphere of the inside of a casino yet or do you just go by what you see on the TV/Internet?

But wait..all is not lost....you have something for us? ( PM only)