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[nottophammer]

so 5 mins gone
well i'll go for the trot or as Winkel said march, so here we have trot/march of what ?, the starting 37#'s.

So is it possible to learn the Riddle Of The Trot? answer yes

[falkor2k15]

Not surprise. This might be helpful for those who follow the trot to play hot/cold/progression. Have fun.

Thanks, but what does hit payout ratio mean?

[cht]

Thanks, but what does hit payout ratio mean?

Example, there're 12unhit numbers to play for hit.

Payout = 35chips paid -12chips played + 1chip returned = 24 net chips

hit payout ratio = Payout / 12chips played  = 2

Interpretation : the win payout will pay for 2 loss bets.

Usage : Example, You might get a high probability bet but the hit payout ratio is low, this makes the bet risky.....
Note the number rises and falls as the pool of numbers contract and expand


         

[nottophammer]

Example, there're 12unhit numbers to play for hit.

Payout = 35chips paid -12chips played + 1chip returned = 24 net chips

hit payout ratio = Payout / 12chips played  = 2

Interpretation : the win payout will pay for 2 loss bets.

Usage : Example, You might get a high probability bet but the hit payout ratio is low, this makes the bet risky.....
Note the number rises and falls as the pool of numbers contract and expand


         

And your doing all this in the B+M

[cht]

And your doing all this in the B+M

Yup, this style of play monitoring expected probability against hit payout ratio updated to the latest outcome. I have it graphically plotted with alerts played on bacs.

[nottophammer]

Yup, this style of play monitoring expected probability against hit payout ratio updated to the latest outcome. I have it graphically plotted with alerts played on bacs.

well when i have made the odd 40 mile trip and they see a clipboard they ask what i'm doing so with a laptop god forbid what would happen, thoughts of MrJ, come to mind.

[wiggy]

As an experiment, I decided to wait for 28 hit numbers and then bet the remaining 9 numbers on a rolling spin by spin basis.

Pretty simple really, when you get one of the 9 sleepers, just cross out the furthest back number on your list and you will always have 28 originals. When you get a repeat, make sure to cross out the furthest back repeat. I was interested in what the W/L registry would look like.

Here it is..... (These numbers were from Table 2 yesterday at Wiesbaden.)

LLLLL (5)
W (1)
L (1)
W (1)
LLLLL (5)
W (1)
L (1)
W (1)
LL (2)
W (1)
LL (2)
WW (2)
LLL (3)
W (1)
L (1)
W (1)
LL (2)
W (1)
LLLLLL (6)
WWW (3)
LL (2)
WWW (3)
LLLL (4)
WW (2)
LLLL (4)
WW (2)
LLLLLLLL (8
WW (2)
LLLLLLL (7)
WWW (3)
LL (2)
W (1)
L (1)
W (1)
LLL (3)
W (1)
L (1)
W (1)
LLLLLLLLLL (10)
WW (2)
L (1)
WW (2)
LL (2)
W (1)
LLLL (4)
W (1)
LLLLL (5)
W (1)
LL (2)
W (1)
LL (2)
W (1)
LLLL (4)
W (1)
LLLLL (5)
W (1)
L (1)
W (1)
LLLLLL (6)

102 losses x 9 = 918

41 wins x 27 = 1107

profit = 189

[falkor2k15]

Wait till only 9 non-hits then bet the non-hits? For how many spins? Why are you getting 5,6 or 10 losses? What exactly are the rules each set and why would you expect the final profit to be based on edge instead of variance?

[falkor2k15]

I doubt if any of these stats can break the unfair payout odds without breaking the bank:

[nottophammer]

As an experiment, I decided to wait for 28 hit numbers and then bet the remaining 9 numbers on a rolling spin by spin basis.

Pretty simple really, when you get one of the 9 sleepers, just cross out the furthest back number on your list and you will always have 28 originals. When you get a repeat, make sure to cross out the furthest back repeat. I was interested in what the W/L registry would look like.

Here it is..... (These numbers were from Table 2 yesterday at Wiesbaden.)

LLLLL (5)
W (1)
L (1)
W (1)
LLLLL (5)
W (1)
L (1)
W (1)
LL (2)
W (1)
LL (2)
WW (2)
LLL (3)
W (1)
L (1)
W (1)
LL (2)
W (1)
LLLLLL (6)
WWW (3)
LL (2)
WWW (3)
LLLL (4)
WW (2)
LLLL (4)
WW (2)
LLLLLLLL (8
WW (2)
LLLLLLL (7)
WWW (3)
LL (2)
W (1)
L (1)
W (1)
LLL (3)
W (1)
L (1)
W (1)
LLLLLLLLLL (10)
WW (2)
L (1)
WW (2)
LL (2)
W (1)
LLLL (4)
W (1)
LLLLL (5)
W (1)
LL (2)
W (1)
LL (2)
W (1)
LLLL (4)
W (1)
LLLLL (5)
W (1)
L (1)
W (1)
LLLLLL (6)

102 losses x 9 = 918

41 wins x 27 = 1107

profit = 189

Looks like betting the remaining 9 is better than any random 9 you'd like to pick, Priyanka posed this once and excepted the example for betting the remaining.
The ? is what is the max spins those 9 could miss, on J247 it's 17 spins and FOBT, rng is 23, 17 spins once in 420 games and 23 once in 650 games

[wiggy]

How's it going Notto?

A few years ago when I was looking at this sort of stuff, I noticed how the remaining 9 numbers could come in a flurry until the very last few of the 37. In my example above, waiting for one of the 9 missing to hit and then betting for another to hit (and another etc...) still produced a good profit. That way you avoid any long potential losing strings.

[nottophammer]

Thanks wiggy
flat betting both J247 and rng on the FOBT, are todate in profit, could we say that for a random 9

[falkor2k15]

How's it going Notto?

A few years ago when I was looking at this sort of stuff, I noticed how the remaining 9 numbers could come in a flurry until the very last few of the 37. In my example above, waiting for one of the 9 missing to hit and then betting for another to hit (and another etc...) still produced a good profit. That way you avoid any long potential losing strings.

You mean a cluster? 9 numbers are unlikely to come in pairs. Unfortunately, there's no concepts behind any of these betting decisions.

I think we can disregard most things discussed this thread as propaganda of some sort, based around Hot and Cold. My guess - if Turbo isn't experiencing delusions of grandeur - is that he has some clever variance strategy based around the repeat, or is using positions/distances. Hot/Cold must be secondary - it cannot be the primary concept being utilized here.

[cht]

You mean a cluster? 9 numbers are unlikely to come in pairs. Unfortunately, there's no concepts behind any of these betting decisions.

I think we can disregard most things discussed this thread as propaganda of some sort, based around Hot and Cold. My guess - if Turbo isn't experiencing delusions of grandeur - is that he has some clever variance strategy based around the repeat, or is using positions/distances. Hot/Cold must be secondary - it cannot be the primary concept being utilized here.

Bingo!

[falkor2k15]

Bingo!

Right. We have identified some dependency, i.e. 3s cannot happen without 2s or 1s, but this doesn't seem to translate to outright edge? If that dependency did equate to edge then the only concepts needed would be the repeat, hot/cold and dependency. So it's like this:
1) Repeat
2) ?
3) ?
4) Hot/Cold, i.e. 0s vs. 1s vs. 2s vs. 3s vs. 4s.
5) Dependency
6) Not Equally-likely (to some extent we have this here too)

The repeat alone is not enough (Non-Random doesn't work out of the box), and the repeat with only hot and cold isn't going to help either, so there must be other concepts in-between:
*Variance avoidance
*Parallel Stream
*Betting on-behalf
*Hedging
*Alternating
et al...