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[nottophammer]

I can see why Turbo denzie or denzie Turbo gave up 

[denzie]

I can see why Turbo denzie or denzie Turbo gave up 

Eating popcorn 

[boyd30]

Bringing up this interesting thread again.

[denzie]

I actually have something else important to do but I did say I would explain it again so here we are.

I'll use another example but you'll have to use your imagination for some parts, don't worry - it will make sense when you're done reading.

We walk up after someone plays a session of 38 spins (0/00 wheel)
Lucky for us we can see every spin that happened in that session.
(I'll just run these off RNG just for the sake of explanation)
13 numbers never appeared
17 numbers showed up once
5 numbers showed up twice
1 number showed up three times
2 numbers showed up four times.

I can simplify this if it helps :
13 numbers never appeared.
25 numbers showed up at least once

8 of those numbers showed up at least twice
3 of those numbers showed up at least three times
2 numbers showed up four times.

But anyway - either way it's the same.
So I look at you and say "If you could go back in time and play these same spins, what would you do ?" and here I have a time machine (how convenient - I told you there's some imagination here)
Now you're going to give me some obvious answers I hope ?
You wouldn't bet a single thing on the 13 numbers that never appeared (why on earth would you ?)
You "could" bet on the numbers that showed up only once - but you would lose on those numbers
exactly at the house edge - so a bit silly of an idea. But that's up to you.
You Certainly would bet on the numbers that showed up twice - those 5 numbers would be a nice profit maker.
You Most Certainly would bet on the numbers that showed up three times ! - very nice profit from those.
And you would be a fool not to bet on the numbers that showed up four times !

So what kind of money would you put on them ?
Well, common sense would tell you that they all make profit regardless - but my time machine isn't going to be around in the future so you're going to have to make some choices.
You'll bet a minimal amount on the numbers that had 1 show
You'd bet more on the 2 show numbers
You'd bet even more on the 3 show numbers and
You'd bet a LOT on the 4 show numbers... This is a aggressive progression
and you're not worried because with the time machine you can't lose.

So all of this makes sense - and the naysayers can say "well we don't have a time machine".
And guess what - you don't need one.
I made this clear in other posts - those numbers that appeared 4 times were numbers that had appeared 3 times.
Those numbers that appeared 3 times were only numbers that appeared 2 times
and the numbers that appeared 2 times were only numbers that appeared once.
All of the numbers that never appeared ? They never appeared.......
Use the same logic on the next 38 spins that you don't know.... correct ? It's not rocket science.
You can say "There's no way of knowing the next spin..." and that is correct.
You can say "There's no way of knowing that a number with 1 show is going to be a number that has 2 or more shows" - and that is correct. BUT - the only numbers that will have 2 shows are numbers that appeared once. See ?
Steve rightly said that systems are useless.. "If accuracy of bet selection doesn't increase, no progression can consistently win."
Now your accuracy just increased (and greatly).
As a matter of fact - by NOT betting on numbers that never show you are no longer playing/winning/losing at the house edge.
You can test this - it's not hard to do. I did it at the other forum as an example.
Play every number on the table for 38 spins - you'll end at the house edge.
Play every number on the table but only once it shows - you won't end at the house edge.
Play every number on the table but only after it shows twice - again - you won't win/lose at the house edge.
You can continue this on for quite a while.
The "house edge" on a 38 pocket wheel is 2 numbers.
If you play every number on the table for 38 spins, you will be down 2 units - this is the house edge.
However - if you play every number Except for the last 2 numbers that end up appearing (this could be 150 spins or more ? it varies) You never play at the house edge at all.
For those who want to test things - there's where to begin.
The aggressive progression not only covers the numbers that appear "at average" if you choose to play them - it boosts your profits beyond flat betting and does not involve chasing a loss or digging out of a hole - it's not a negative progression, it's a positive one based on wins.

Thanks for reading, I can only hope this sinks in - and if not then you're on your own.

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[boyd30]

Do you need to bet on all repeaters or is it enough to bet on the most repeated? It can be many numbers to bet on.

[denzie]

Do you need to bet on all repeaters or is it enough to bet on the most repeated? It can be many numbers to bet on.

You answered your own question 

[ignatus]

Do you need to bet on all repeaters

Tried this with a positive progression, and it doesn't work.

The big secret is HOW many hotnumbers to bet, and i think Mr.J is somewhere close to an answer to that 1-4 hotnumbers is the only way i can see this work, at all...

[nottophammer]

Boyd
Look here link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=19225.0
Page 17 reply sep02 11:48  just away

[ignatus]

20 pages , no, can't read that...

i've already tried and sometimes it works, sometimes it won't work, FLATBET 1-3 hotnumbers link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=19465.0

[denzie]

20 pages , no, can't read that...

i've already tried and sometimes it works, sometimes it won't work, FLATBET 1-3 hotnumbers link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=19465.0

Newsflash. ...This Just in.....Testing 10 sessions is nothing and sure as hell not enough to calculate a winrate %

[ignatus]

Newsflash. ...This Just in.....Testing 10 sessions is nothing and sure as hell not enough to calcula

What do you expect? Shall i invent the system, and manually play it for 100 sessions? (That won't happen). I usually do 10-20 test-sessions before i get bored with it and move on to something else. What about you testing it for yourself instead of complaining?....(IF you like it, that is) now this was about "hotnumbers" ........that was what this thread was about.
I HAD SUCCESS FLATBETTING 3 HOTNUMBERS... show me your "secret system" then?

[denzie]

What do you expect? Shall i invent the system, and manually play it for 100 sessions? (That won't happen). I usually do 10-20 test-sessions before i get bored with it and move on to something else. What about you testing it for yourself instead of complaining?....(IF you like it, that is) now this was about "hotnumbers" ........that was what this thread was about.
I HAD SUCCESS FLATBETTING 3 HOTNUMBERS... show me your "secret system" then?

I did today.

[ignatus]

I did today.

And what was your results then? I guess not good since you're complaining.... you said it yourself, afew sessions won't show a real reslut, usually 10-20 sessions CAN tell something, (that's why i usually do 20 sessions BECAUSE a failing system won't make it through 20 sessions, That i know...)

[Steve]

Have you properly tested to see if hot numbers are more likely to spins anytime soon?

Its one of the oldest fallacies. Hot numbers spin equally as much next as cold numbers, unless there's bias. There's no doubt. It has been tested countless times. Why is anyone still wasting time on it?

Touch bet terminals usually tell you the hot numbers because it's useless information that keeps players losing.

[denzie]

Have you properly tested to see if hot numbers are more likely to spins anytime soon?

Its one of the oldest fallacies. Hot numbers spin equally as much next as cold numbers, unless there's bias. There's no doubt. It has been tested countless times. Why is anyone still wasting time on it?

Touch bet terminals usually tell you the hot numbers because it's useless information that keeps players losing.

Steve of course any number can appear next. No doubt about it. But there are the statistics which happen almost every session. It is what it is.