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[Turner]

I'll post your reply Steve, Notto you're a dickhead, typical reply from useless blatant liar, bet thats got your feathers rattled, jizz or finger coming, oh am i baiting, get Turner on the case LOL

Whos rattled your cage?
It cant be the Hammers losing (again)...its an international break lol
Posting when drunk?
Im going for posting when drunk

[boyd30]

Just a short test with hotnumbers 

[denzie]

Define "hot numbers in a cycle".

Hot numbers in any form, besides bias, is nonsense. I'd be happy to be proven wrong.

Again it has been tested exhaustively. No sequence of numbers is any more likely than another without the variables making it so. Players who track hot numbers tend to not track variables at all, or track the wrong thing. So they have no idea of the cause and effect, and if hot numbers are just normal expectation.  Its playing blind.

If anyone wants to argue this, don't just grumble. Show me data.

We all know it's cause and effect. Like I said it ain't the holy ghost who picks the numbers. Geez.

Data? You want data ? Go to wiesbaden and see if you can find any day where with 37 different numbers come in 37 spins. Or have anyone ever saw it happening?  I didn't. Not even in rx. Yes I know Steve. ...Let It run for trazillion spins and it will come. Yup I agree. We probably see 37 x red in a row too. But that doesn't change the fact we can win. There's a way. And no its not just betting more and more each time one repeats. But one always will repeat. So if you can't win from that your an........

I'll tell you this steveypoo....You might not agree but that's fine. Playing hotties is a damn good strategy. It's actually so good you can have a loooooot of winning sessions in a row. Now those who have some brains know how to roll in that cash this way. A lot of cash. And those same people know it can be done with a low starting br. If you really tested every way ... You should know that.

And I'm not even talking about putting vb in the mix.

[nottophammer]

with no idea what i'm doing just been on MPR gone from 4951 units to 5370 in 60 spins

even told KIm Jueng where to bet

[Steve]

Go to wiesbaden and see if you can find any day where with 37 different numbers come in 37 spins

Thats classic fallacy. Test enough spins, and you'll find the sequence of spins 1,2,3,4,5 happens as often as 32,14,8,0,10.

Its the same case with 37 different numbers in 37 spins, or #1 repeating for 37 spins. You betting that 37 unique numbers wont spin just wont work.

Its not my opinion denzie. Just test enough spins and see for yourself. Use the free software I provided and you can test billions of spins. Use other software if you think maybe the software is rigged.

[Steve]

Im sorry Denzie but you're really stuck in classic fallacy. I havent made a mistake. You're just not understanding it.

You think a sequence of spins that makes sense to you means anything to a wheel and ball.

Probably nobody has seen 37 unique numbers in 37 spins. And if i chose any other sequence of 37 numbers, chances are equally likely nobody has seen that either. Again its not my opinion. Just test for yourself.

[3Nine]

Hey Denzie, I wonder if the same applies to created sets? Hmm.

[Steve]

with no idea what i'm doing just been on MPR gone from 4951 units to 5370 in 60 spins

even told KIm Jueng where to bet

I won much more (real money) using a dozens system with progression. I used the same system for a year and did very well, until losing almost all winnings. Before that I wouldnt have let anyone tell me my system was crap.

No matter how well we think we know something, eventually we learn we actually knew nothing. It repeats a lot in life before we have what can be called "good understanding". But there are still levels of ignorance, always. But at some point, within reason, you need to decide what to believe. You cant sit on the fence forever. After you can honestly say you took an unbiased look at all sides of arguments. This approach can waste time, but at least its the most assured way of knowing the truth. Like the flat earth crap.... i took it seriously enough to give it an unbiased look, and couldnt find even a single viable argument from flat earthers (just really bad logic and understanding).

In any area ill listen to someone with likely more experience. But first and foremost, i try not to believe anything without reasonable personal experience.

One things for sure... pigheaded arrogance makes you ignorant. And not knowing the truth is just screwing yourself. So do proper research before proclaiming the truth, and always properly consider other peoples findings and why they have certain beliefs. If they dont have substantiating information, its worthless speculation.

[nottophammer]

I won much more (real money) using a dozens system with progression. I used the same system for a year and did very well, until losing almost all winnings. Before that I wouldnt have let anyone tell me my system was crap.

No matter how well we think we know something, eventually we learn we actually knew nothing. It repeats a lot in life before we have what can be called "good understanding". But there are still levels of ignorance, always. But at some point, within reason, you need to decide what to believe. You cant sit on the fence forever. After you can honestly say you took an unbiased look at all sides of arguments. This approach can waste time, but at least its the most assured way of knowing the truth. Like the flat earth crap.... i took it seriously enough to give it an unbiased look, and couldnt find even a single viable argument from flat earthers (just really bad logic and understanding).

In any area ill listen to someone with likely more experience. But first and foremost, i try not to believe anything without reasonable personal experience.

One things for sure... pigheaded arrogance makes you ignorant. And not knowing the truth is just screwing yourself. So do proper research before proclaiming the truth, and always properly consider other peoples findings and why they have certain beliefs. If they dont have substantiating information, its worthless speculation.

  zzzzzzzzzzz

[Taotie]

I won much more (real money) using a dozens system with progression. I used the same system for a year and did very well, until losing almost all winnings. Before that I wouldnt have let anyone tell me my system was crap.

I've known lots of guys like that, girls too.

No matter how well we think we know something, eventually we learn we actually knew nothing.

That's a bit harsh. Rightly or wrongly people come to their own understandings about what they know and it's usually not nothing.

In any area ill listen to someone with likely more experience. But first and foremost, i try not to believe anything without reasonable personal experience.

Time to pull your head out your arse then.

One things for sure... pigheaded arrogance makes you ignorant. And not knowing the truth is just screwing yourself. So do proper research before proclaiming the truth, and always properly consider other peoples findings and why they have certain beliefs. If they dont have substantiating information, its worthless speculation.

I'd say that's least sure. I've known many knowledgeable and sophisticated individuals who are arrogant. You yourself display a lot of arrogance in your postings.

[Noreilles]

Thats classic fallacy. Test enough spins, and you'll find the sequence of spins 1,2,3,4,5 happens as often as 32,14,8,0,10.

Its the same case with 37 different numbers in 37 spins, or #1 repeating for 37 spins. You betting that 37 unique numbers wont spin just wont work.

Its not my opinion denzie. Just test enough spins and see for yourself. Use the free software I provided and you can test billions of spins. Use other software if you think maybe the software is rigged.

With all due respect Steve, he never said it would NEVER happen (although,,, a quick internet search seems to indicate it never happened once so far in the history of roulette)... his point was that by the time it happens, you will have WON so much money that you just wont care... that's what playing repeaters helps you achieve: winning more than you lose long term.

[denzie]

With all due respect Steve, he never said it would NEVER happen (although,,, a quick internet search seems to indicate it never happened once so far in the history of roulette)... his point was that by the time it happens, you will have WON so much money that you just wont care... that's what playing repeaters helps you achieve: winning more than you lose long term.

Thx 

And long term. .... What Is long term ? For me it's as long as I live/play. Which won't be billion of spins.

And about those sessions that could give us no repeaters.... i dont use a million $ br. That session most probably end with a loss. But only a loss of my session br. I don't use a 15 step progression that requires 100k to play it.

I do agree with all cause and effect stuff. It's pure physics. I do agree with enough spins all possible combinations will occur. But I'm damn sure they won't occur every day or every month or not even every year. In fact they spread out far enough to make some money in between.

[cht]

I actually have something else important to do but I did say I would explain it again so here we are.

I'll use another example but you'll have to use your imagination for some parts, don't worry - it will make sense when you're done reading.

We walk up after someone plays a session of 38 spins (0/00 wheel)
Lucky for us we can see every spin that happened in that session.
(I'll just run these off RNG just for the sake of explanation)
13 numbers never appeared
17 numbers showed up once
5 numbers showed up twice
1 number showed up three times
2 numbers showed up four times.

I can simplify this if it helps :
13 numbers never appeared.
25 numbers showed up at least once

8 of those numbers showed up at least twice
3 of those numbers showed up at least three times
2 numbers showed up four times.

But anyway - either way it's the same.
So I look at you and say "If you could go back in time and play these same spins, what would you do ?" and here I have a time machine (how convenient - I told you there's some imagination here)
Now you're going to give me some obvious answers I hope ?
You wouldn't bet a single thing on the 13 numbers that never appeared (why on earth would you ?)
You "could" bet on the numbers that showed up only once - but you would lose on those numbers
exactly at the house edge - so a bit silly of an idea. But that's up to you.
You Certainly would bet on the numbers that showed up twice - those 5 numbers would be a nice profit maker.
You Most Certainly would bet on the numbers that showed up three times ! - very nice profit from those.
And you would be a fool not to bet on the numbers that showed up four times !

So what kind of money would you put on them ?
Well, common sense would tell you that they all make profit regardless - but my time machine isn't going to be around in the future so you're going to have to make some choices.
You'll bet a minimal amount on the numbers that had 1 show
You'd bet more on the 2 show numbers
You'd bet even more on the 3 show numbers and
You'd bet a LOT on the 4 show numbers... This is a aggressive progression
and you're not worried because with the time machine you can't lose.

So all of this makes sense - and the naysayers can say "well we don't have a time machine".
And guess what - you don't need one.
I made this clear in other posts - those numbers that appeared 4 times were numbers that had appeared 3 times.
Those numbers that appeared 3 times were only numbers that appeared 2 times
and the numbers that appeared 2 times were only numbers that appeared once.
All of the numbers that never appeared ? They never appeared.......
Use the same logic on the next 38 spins that you don't know.... correct ? It's not rocket science.
You can say "There's no way of knowing the next spin..." and that is correct.
You can say "There's no way of knowing that a number with 1 show is going to be a number that has 2 or more shows" - and that is correct. BUT - the only numbers that will have 2 shows are numbers that appeared once. See ?
Steve rightly said that systems are useless.. "If accuracy of bet selection doesn't increase, no progression can consistently win."
Now your accuracy just increased (and greatly).
As a matter of fact - by NOT betting on numbers that never show you are no longer playing/winning/losing at the house edge.
You can test this - it's not hard to do. I did it at the other forum as an example.
Play every number on the table for 38 spins - you'll end at the house edge.
Play every number on the table but only once it shows - you won't end at the house edge.
Play every number on the table but only after it shows twice - again - you won't win/lose at the house edge.
You can continue this on for quite a while.
The "house edge" on a 38 pocket wheel is 2 numbers.
If you play every number on the table for 38 spins, you will be down 2 units - this is the house edge.
However - if you play every number Except for the last 2 numbers that end up appearing (this could be 150 spins or more ? it varies) You never play at the house edge at all.
For those who want to test things - there's where to begin.
The aggressive progression not only covers the numbers that appear "at average" if you choose to play them - it boosts your profits beyond flat betting and does not involve chasing a loss or digging out of a hole - it's not a negative progression, it's a positive one based on wins.

Thanks for reading, I can only hope this sinks in - and if not then you're on your own.

that's what playing repeaters helps you achieve: winning more than you lose long term.

I checked this on the excel sheet but I can't find it to win more than lose on single 0 for 37spins.

[denzie]

I checked this on the excel sheet but I can't find it to win more than lose on single 0 for 37spins.

Of course you can't. Why stop at 37 spins? 

That explanation is just basics. Why not go till that 4th hit ? Why not put mm on it ? And most importantly...Why Bet them all ?

[maestro]

I'd say that's least sure. I've known many knowledgeable and sophisticated individuals who are arrogant. You yourself display a lot of arrogance in your postings.

i like this one
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=5y_KJAg8bHI