@ turbo

[Roulette Rat]

Hi Guys. What Turbo says is very true, I have a similar system I have been playing for years and I am winning nicely. I play on repeaters but think the way I apply them is different to Turbo. I only play in B&M, never online. The only way to beat the game is to play on numbers and stay ahead of the odds.

[denzie]

When you play repeaters (the third show of any number for example) you no longer have 38 possible winning numbers - you have a small hand full of numbers that are the only ones that can win.
Since we know that repeaters will happen - we already know what numbers to play.
Perhaps that's one simple thing that people are missing ?

A aggressive progression is also key - 

But what if our selected numbers come late ? Very late

[denzie]

And what about that graph in the "what if i told you" thread.... you was down around 1000 spins. (First page)

[Madi]

In real play there will b noticeble drawdown. Sometimes go out of control.

[nottophammer]

When you play repeaters (the third show of any number for example) you no longer have 38 possible winning numbers

Always said bet repeats from spin 20.

[nottophammer]

well yesterdays #'s by mort, TG make a killing even before spin 20

[nottophammer]

No end of Pryi's green graphs show bet after 20

[Steve]

Turbo, I have a question for you.

Does your method change the ODDS?

For example, the odds of the next number spinning is 1 in 37.  Do you change this to perhaps 1 in 34 or something?

[Andre Chass]

I'd like to apologize to TG. Now I know it's true, it's possible!
I think I know the way TG plays.
Now I know it's possible to know what numbers to play. And it works 99%.
It works flatbet but its better using a positive progression.
Why positive?
Because we know it won't fail.

Why he will not say how to bet step by step?
The casinos WIIL change the rules.

[Steve]

Andre, at the moment you are very new to roulette, and your understanding is growing rapidly - but there's still a lot to learn. This makes your opinions and conclusions volatile. What Turbo has is nonsense. If you pay attention to what is being said and what everything means, you'll know this. If you do quick testing and see positive results, you'll be easily fooled. It often happens with any progression system.

I have no personal problem with turbo. I have a problem with misleading and harmful information. If you follow his logic, you will eventually lose and then just think maybe you dont know "his secret". So you'll keep looking and repeat the process.

Stick to the basics:

1. The past spins don't have connection to future spins (without real physical variable correlation). This includes repeaters. It has been exhaustively tested, far beyond what anyone here has tested - including you, me and turbo combined.

2. Turbo is saying otherwise, citing short term results. And citing rigged game results while claiming they arent rigged, without understanding basic math.

There's much more. My loyalty is to the truth - to what you can prove, to what's logical, reasonable etc. And there is not a single thing I can find that Turbo is preaching that's valid. I'm still looking, but its a lot like looking for proof Earth is flat. The information all points the other way.

[Andre Chass]

Andre, at the moment you are very new to roulette, and your understanding is growing rapidly - but there's still a lot to learn. This makes your opinions and conclusions volatile.

That doesn't mean anything. What matters is the person's ability to learn quickly, study hard, and test all kinds of strategies. I play roulette for only three years but I study a lot. 6 to 8 hours per day.

What Turbo has is nonsense. If you pay attention to what is being said and what everything means, you'll know this. If you do quick testing and see positive results, you'll be easily fooled. It often happens with any progression system.

I have no personal problem with turbo. I have a problem with misleading and harmful information. If you follow his logic, you will eventually lose and then just think maybe you dont know "his secret". So you'll keep looking and repeat the process.

Stick to the basics:

1. The past spins don't have connection to future spins (without real physical variable correlation). This includes repeaters. It has been exhaustively tested, far beyond what anyone here has tested - including you, me and turbo combined.

Spin of cycles of 37 spins over and over.
Near 24 numbers will appear once.
You can do this over and over and the total amount of numbers that appear will end up being 24-28.

2. Turbo is saying otherwise, citing short term results. And citing rigged game results while claiming they arent rigged, without understanding basic math.

There's much more. My loyalty is to the truth - to what you can prove, to what's logical, reasonable etc. And there is not a single thing I can find that Turbo is preaching that's valid. I'm still looking, but its a lot like looking for proof Earth is flat. The information all points the other way.

I could prove you that TG is right, but I can't.

All my respect for you, Steve.

[Steve]

Spin of cycles of 37 spins over and over.
Near 24 numbers will appear once. You can do this over and over and the total amount of numbers that appear will end up being 24-28.

No the cycles don't link up like that, without any physical cause. There is no correlation like that. Andre I really hope you are right, but you have been misled and I would bet my balls you'll eventually learn better.

[Steve]

Turbo, you say you tell secrets to help people. I think you're just misleading them whether intentional or not.

On one hand I think your intentions are good and you probably think your system works. Because you've done some testing in a rigged game and still think it's a realistic game.

On the other hand, I don't believe your claim that you only use it to win small amounts in real casinos once a month or so. I believe if your system worked as you claim, you would be spending a lot more time winning real money, instead of playing for weeks with fun money in a rigged casino trying to convince other people you have the HG. Basically if your system was capable of winning multiple millions starting with a few thousands, you would be doing it for real. Anyway that's what I believe.

Since you are giving out various clues and amassing followers, your words can either help or harm people. It is then reasonable for people to pound you with questions. After all, that's how we weed out bullshit. Anyone with a sound mind can expect if they claim to have the HG and give out clues, then are going to need to answer questions. And if you arent prepared to answer, then you should have kept quiet from the start. Otherwise you are just baiting people.

So in the interests of avoiding bad advice harming people, please answer the following:

* Does your system in any way change the ODDS of winning for the next spin?
(there is no grey answer. It's either yes or no, like the solution to a mathematical equation)

* Is your system profitable without any progression?

* Exactly what testing have you done, and with how many spins?
(for example, parx and with how many spins, and rng from what source, and how many spins)

* The only results I've ever seen you publish are either from parx, or short term roulette xtreme charts. Regarding the roulette xtreme charts, why are they only short term results? (like 60 or so spins from memory)?

* What do you feel is the statistical relevance of so few spins in the roulette extreme charts?

* How much have you won in REAL MONEY with your system?

* One day you were boasting about how much you won at parx, then the next you say you lost it all... INTENTIONALLY. Exactly would you do this?

* Do you still claim that parx is not at all a rigged game?
(most recently you said the only difference is real casinos take longer to win at)

* Exactly WHY does it take longer to win at real casinos?

* Exactly why havent you won millions with real online casinos?
(its very easy to use another player's account to bypass USA restrictions, and you could win millions)

* Your current system is about hot numbers. Have you ever claimed you had the HG and that it was based about cold numbers?

I haven't asked you about anything that would reveal secrets of your system. Again the way I see it is you are harming people. And these important questions need to be asked.

[cht]

I'd like to apologize to TG. Now I know it's true, it's possible!
I think I know the way TG plays.
Now I know it's possible to know what numbers to play. And it works 99%.
It works flatbet but its better using a positive progression.
Why positive?
Because we know it won't fail.

Why he will not say how to bet step by step?
The casinos WIIL change the rules.

Good for you. 

[cht]

* Does your system in any way change the ODDS of winning for the next spin?
(there is no grey answer. It's either yes or no, like the solution to a mathematical equation)

YES, I have it coded in excel.

* Is your system profitable without any progression?

YES

Good questions.

I play only at b&m casino.

I play only flat bet.