@ turbo

[jekhb76]

the average for the 1st 19 non-hit is 2 spins, you couldn't win on these spins 

Just thinking out loud here!
Turbo is Always saying that 1s Will become 2s and 2s Will become 3s etc and that 3s cannot be without 2s and 2s cannon be Without becoming 1s First! And he is Right ofcourse. I was Just under shower (Yeah i know, but good things are Always comin' when i'm in the shower or on the toilet  )
It got me thinking: what if we are looking at the wrong numbers? And by that i Mean, we are Most of the Time looking at Hot numbers, or even cold ones Right? Well what if we focus ourselfs o. Only the numbers that Have shown only on average! What is expected to happen; that a number is hitting at least once during a 37 spin cycle. If it does that it is an average number. Not showing at all is a cold number and ofcourse whe. It is hitting for then once it is a Hot number! You All follow me Right?  what if we track 37 spins (Without betting) and take Note of every number that has hit and how many Times it has. Then after 37 spins we have (turbo's Time machine) remember? We know that Turbo doesn't bet the cold ones (numbers that Have not come up) well that is normal, because they can Sleep for a Long Time or come out later then 37 spins, we don't know. Well for the heck of it, they could hit in theorie 37 spins Right after eachother 37/37 then it's Goodbye bankroll. So we leave them alone (for now).  In the next 37 spins we Make use of turbo's Time machine and the fact that 1s need to become 2s....See where i am goin' with this? From spin 38-74 we are only betting All the numbers that Have only shown once! In the above sequence we need to to bet a Total of 15 numbers with 1u on them for the next cycle of spins 38-74, flatbet only!!!!!!
Either we stop as soon as we have a hit and are in profit or continue and Make the cycle compleet All the way up to spin 74! Let's do that for this example.
We are now at spin 74 in the above sequence and we now See that we have 17 hits and 20 spins were lost!
To calculatie we have 17*36 units won for a Total of 612 units. We were betting on 15 numbers each spin and we lost 20 spins, 20*15 units for a Total of 300 units. That's 612u-300u Make a profit of 312 units!!!! We can stop now, as i would or continue to the next cycle 74-111 and look how many numbers Have become 2s and how many numbers had 1 hits up till now, we then put these numbers togeter with 2 units on the numbers that Have become 2s and 1 unit on the numbers Who Have become 1s and spin flatbet through the next cycle 74-111 and See how many numbers go to 2s and how many numbers become 3s. We stop at a new High or continue.... What are you thoughts on this approach? Well it's not how Turbo is playing i guess, but like i said, i'm Just thinking out loud to you guys. Talk to you All later - Eddy

[daveylibra]

Hi all
Another thought I had on this elusive Holy Grail.
When Turbo says if we play each number only when it hits, and continue with it, with 1 unit, we reduce house edge to 0, I think this is what we should focus on. After all, thats a good start, isn't it?!

What would a profit/loss graph of this look like? Would it oscillate around 0?
If so, would it be valid to say we can just stop when we are above 0, and reset on another wheel/next day or whatever?
Or would playing like this, due to laws of probability, be the same as one continuous session?

Would love your input on these questions, guys, as I think they are important in our quest!

[Roulettebeater]

Hi all
Another thought I had on this elusive Holy Grail.
When Turbo says if we play each number only when it hits, and continue with it, with 1 unit, we reduce house edge to 0, I think this is what we should focus on. After all, thats a good start, isn't it?!

What would a profit/loss graph of this look like? Would it oscillate around 0?
If so, would it be valid to say we can just stop when we are above 0, and reset on another wheel/next day or whatever?
Or would playing like this, due to laws of probability, be the same as one continuous session?

Would love your input on these questions, guys, as I think they are important in our quest!

What
Give evidecne to that or stop spreading fallacies and wishes

House edge is there and will stay  unless casino use tables without 0.

What you looking for is increase odds and that's possible only by increasing accuracy of ur bets

[nottophammer]

Is the stumbling block the progression?
If table limit for singles is 100 like MPR, is 1,5,25 then 125, so be 100 to aggressive?

I've had just 4#'s at 100 and lost as when they hit i could not raise, and by just sticking to the 100 evntually lost as the 4 hot ones did stay hot, but the spins to get the hit was just eating the BR, if like R-sim you can raise past the 100, then these 4 hot #'s would have won, The part thats annoying is those 4 hot #'s had made a profit, but i thought they being hot would produce more profit, so a lesson learnt.

A soft prog to me is better, although slower to say make  +100 units it does the job

[Roulettebeater]

Moral of the story: numerical disadvantages (red/black, high/low, hot/cold...) are an illusion and can be cancelled out, and always remain disciplined.

[daveylibra]

Hi RouletteBeater

I'm just quoting what Turbo said - see page 1 of this thread - it's what got me interested in this whole thing in the first place!
Here is a copy and paste of the quote -

The next post is about what happens when the players (instead of flat betting their number every spin) decide to use a system based on repeaters.
Here are the same spins - the same players - still flat betting only on their number.
The only difference is that each player begins betting on their number only once it shows.
So here are the results to compare to the last 3 cycles. We haven't even put in a progression yet - the only thing that is different is that they are playing for a repeat to happen on their number (and they won't remove their bets - they'll just start betting their number once it shows and then every spin after that until the end of the 3 cycles)
This is the data for all players combined (the house edge from the last test was exactly 5.26% as it should be)
-------------------------------------
So ALL players ended as a group EVEN. The house edge 0.00 !
This is a fact - it is not trickery or curve fitting, or reverse engineering - it is simply how random works.
We are still at the basic level here. 2,808 bets of $1.00 each were placed - that's a pretty good amount
considering each bet from each player was only $1.00 flat betting every spin.

[jekhb76]

SPIN 1-37
0
25
4
7
35
33
15
29
20
19
28
10
19
1
30
4
28
20
24
28
27
10
25
18
20
4
1
31
17
33
25
20
23
17
24
13
30
(7-13-15-18-23-27-29-31-35) 9 #1s

SPIN 38-74

19
5
24
25
32
17
21
5
20
33
10
31 WIN!
18 WIN!
3
8
31 WIN!
32
26
6
23 WIN!
20
12
2
19
16
31 WIN!
10
15 WIN!
11
24
3
27 WIN!
26
0
7 WIN!
13 WIN!
1

(9 * 36 (324u Won)
28 * 9 (252u Lost)
72u PROFIT In 74 SPINS!
NO NEED TO CARRY ON - START OVER.
All numbers came from. Random.org

[keepontryin]

never quit buddy...........can you explain what you have found.....

[RayManZ]

SPIN 1-37
0
25
4
7
35
33
15
29
20
19
28
10
19
1
30
4
28
20
24
28
27
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4
1
31
17
33
25
20
23
17
24
13
30
(7-13-15-18-23-27-29-31-35) 9 #1s

SPIN 38-74

19
5
24
25
32
17
21
5
20
33
10
31 WIN!
18 WIN!
3
8
31 WIN!
32
26
6
23 WIN!
20
12
2
19
16
31 WIN!
10
15 WIN!
11
24
3
27 WIN!
26
0
7 WIN!
13 WIN!
1

(9 * 36 (324u Won)
28 * 9 (252u Lost)
72u PROFIT In 74 SPINS!
NO NEED TO CARRY ON - START OVER.
All numbers came from. Random.org

Your calculations are incorrect?

You bet all the 37 spins? So i has to be:

37*9 and not 28*9

Lost: 37*9=333
Won: 9*36=324

No profit...

[nottophammer]

just betting every spin from 1st R1, the ? is the progression to use

[jekhb76]

Your calculations are incorrect?

You bet all the 37 spins? So i has to be:

37*9 and not 28*9

Lost: 37*9=333
Won: 9*36=324

No profit...

Shit, your Right!!! Pfffff
Oh well, Back to the drawingboard.

[jekhb76]

just betting every spin from 1st R1, the ? is the progression to use

Turbo has stated, that he bets a Small Group of numbers, so he isn't betting All the Repeaters that came in. And it must show profit flatbet, no progression. He only uses a progression to Max his profits in a short periode of Time, not to dig out of a negative balance. So it's not in every repeater.

[jekhb76]

Your calculations are incorrect?

You bet all the 37 spins? So i has to be:

37*9 and not 28*9

Lost: 37*9=333
Won: 9*36=324

No profit...

I think i'm not far off, how he plays. We only needed one More hit in those set of spins.
That would give us;

Lost 37*9 (333)
Won 10*36 (360)
For. Profit of 27 units!

He also has stated that if he doesn't profit in the First betting cycle, he would in the next or the one after that.
So i needed to carry on to the next cycle.

[jekhb76]

Your calculations are incorrect?

You bet all the 37 spins? So i has to be:

37*9 and not 28*9

Lost: 37*9=333
Won: 9*36=324

No profit...

I noticed that i also Made a Miss calculation. I Just Have included the # 0 also to my betting list, because he also did show once. But that would Have still not giving me a profit.
That would Have been;
37*10 (370 units lost)
10*36 (360 units won)
-10 balance.

[jekhb76]

SPIN 1-37
0
25
4
7
35
33
15
29
20
19
28
10
19
1
30
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27
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31
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33
25
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(0-7-13-15-18-23-27-29-31-35) 10#1s

SPIN 38-74

19
5
24
25
32
17
21
5
20
33
10
31 WIN!
18 WIN!
3
8
31 WIN!
32
26
6
23 WIN!
20
12
2
19
16
31 WIN!
10
15 WIN!
11
24
3
27 WIN!
26
0 WIN!
7 WIN!
13 WIN!
1

(10* 36 (360u Won)
37* 10 (370u Lost)

Balance: -10 units (carry on)
(2s: 0-7-13-15-18-23-27-31)
Base bet x2 units.

SPIN 75-111

21
1
5
22
35
17
21
0 WIN!
20
20
2
26
18 WIN!
21
26
18 WIN!
24
4
15 WIN!
7 WIN!
23 WIN!
17
35
25
36
6
12
16
23 WIN!
31 WIN!
32
8
29
35
16
25
13 WIN!

9*72 (648 UNITS WON)
37*16 (592 UNITS LOST)
END BALANCE:
-10 previous cycle.
+56 this cycle
Profit of 46 Units ! Start over.

Is this what Turbo has ment with 1s become 2s and 2s cannot be without becoming 1s First!