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[Steve]

People are getting stuck on this 24 numbers in 37 spins crap.

And the crap about 2 hits comes after 1, 3 after 2, 4 after 3 and so on.

Pay attention.

You cant make use of that because you still wont know WHICH numbers will repeat. Some will, some wont. How accurate can you be? No better than 1 in 37. YOU CHANGED NOTHING.

Try covering every number, and when you get a hit, bet extra on the hit numbers. All you're doing is increasing the stake on a number that PREVIOUSLY hit. It doesnt mean it is going to hit more frequently later. It's still stuck at 1 in 37.

Fans of repeaters here will say I'm wrong blah blah and I repeat myself. But you are going to find what I found, and what millions of other gamblers, and professionals found before..... that repeaters change nothing. You may not find out today, or tomorrow, but eventually you'll say you should have listened earlier, and done proper testing earlier.  Again its not my money.

[Andre Chass]

Repeaters system is just a fallacy...

[6th-sense]

Then practice what you preach and start looking at the variables that cause outcomes, not the outcomes that cause outcomes.

That’s what I’m doing lol 😂 re read my thread
I’m not stuck in 24 out of 37 I’m stuck with balancing

I said it’s the average

Statistics don’t lie lol

Same as 1. In 37 😂

I think Your are stuck  with 1 in 37 ...

I’m stuck with statistics

I’d rather listen to what the wheel had been telling for centuries than the old 1 in 37
Although we all know 1 in 37 is true..so what I’m explaining is true too 👍 prove it otherwise

[Steve]

I dont think you understand the point.

What you're saying is like saying after 1,000 spins, there will be an even spread between red/black. So what? That's what we expect with basic probability. It hasnt changed the odds.

Make it simple.

No matter what little patterns you can think exist, all that matters is the odds of winning on the next spin.

If a number will spin sometime soon, that means better than 1 in 37 odds.

I'm sorry if you dont get it. Ive wasted enough time.

[Steve]

Remember the fundamental problem with losing systems is it doesn't change the odds. Still 1 in 37 odds, still the same payout, still the same result: LOSS.

You tell me 1 in 37 doesnt matter. I disagree. But its not my opinion. It's just a matter of fact. But you and others are not understanding it and its relevance.

So when you develop all these fancy methods of bet selection, you forget the most basic math. If your odds are still 1 in 37, and the payout is still a shitty 35-1, then you changed nothing.

[jekhb76]

Hi Steve,
Don't know what you're age is bit Just for the record, i'm not a newbie at all.
If you are playing roulette for More then 20 years, jua saying.

You Just don't understand, that Random has limits. With All your Experience you should know 
There are facts, that Will happen in roulette everytime you play. If you like it or not. I Will never See 37 out of 37 in my Life. On spin 75 i Will Have at least 1 repeater. A number doesn't Sleep for 1000 spins. Shall i go on? If you say otherwise, it's better you'd start playing another game. RANDOM HAS LIMITS!!!!!!!!!!!! Do i know how to make a constant profit out of it? No not yet, but eventualy i Will. Why, because i stopped looking inside the box. Repeats are the only way to victory. But hey, Keep preaching. Atleast i will have a good laugh now and then. 

[Steve]

You Just don't understand, that Random has limits

NO, it doesn't. If you're talking trash like maximum 200 spins for an unhit number, you are still stuck at 1 in 37.

With All your Experience you should know

I do know. You clearly dont.

There are facts, that Will happen in roulette everytime you play.

Jek, i'm calling it. You are actually thickheaded.

Just go and win your money, and make a fool out of the casino.

[Ricky]

WHY would a number repeat? If there are completely random and unpredictable game outcomes, it's random.

Hi Steve,
No need to get personal.

Now lets step back a bit and examine the situation. I know your stance is all about the only way to beat roulette is to increase the accuracy of prediction. One proven way is to exploit the physics of the wheel and many have won millions analysing the wheel and exploiting wheels where you can predict where the ball will land due to some physical bias or due to the dealer spinning in a certain "pattern".

You will have to agree with this concept because thats what your on about with roulette computers and measuring the speed of the ball and wheel .

OK, I agree that the only way to increase accuracy of prediction is to know where the ball will most likely land and where it won't. If I had access to these devices or knew how to use them I would do so.

But, this is a direct method. What I believe Repeaters to be is an "indirect method" of doing exactly what your doing. Measuring "Repeats" of numbers is essentually identifying which sections of the wheel the ball is currently landing more than other sections. The direct result of the physics of where the ball is most likely to land causes the same number to be hit more often in that sector than other numbers which may not get hit for many spins. So I think logic would say that your method and the Repeater method are almost the same methods just it does not use computers or direct measurements like speed of the wheel or ball but it uses the outcome from these physical attributes - the resulting numbers that land within a short timeframe.

To be more accurate with Repeaters there should be a rule that states that any change to the physical nature of the spinning of the wheel should reset the Repeater tracking and not rely on past measurements. So the most obvious change is a dealer change every 30 or so minutes. Each dealer will influence where the ball will fall by spinning the ball at different speeds or with different rythms.

Do you agree that using a Repeaters method in this context will increase the accuracy of prediction. And that is probably the reason I won so quickly last night.

As you say, this will not happen all the time and it will all depend on the conditions we are playing in. It definitely won't work on RNG

Cheers,
Ricky

[Steve]

No need to get personal.

Really Im not getting personal. It just appears to be the reasonable conclusion, however politically incorrect. I'll respond to your message in more detail later.

[Ricky]

Really Im not getting personal. It just appears to be the reasonable conclusion, however politically incorrect. I'll respond to your message in more detail later.

I look forward to further discussion. I agree with you some people will just follow the so called "experts" and not know why a method works. They just expect it to be the holy grail and spend their hard earned money following a method they do not understand. For me I start off reviewing what others are doing and look at the logic behind it. I then give it a go and see if it produces better results than what I have been able to come up with. Some work well, some for a short time then bomb, others work more long term.

I'm still looking for the best, low risk method to maximize returns. I am sure there is a method out there that meets these requirements. Roulette computers are certainly one of them if you know how to use them or want to join Professional teams and make a living from it. But most people here have day jobs or are retired and look at  roulette systems as hobby like others look at fishing or photography. So if they find the method that works for them as a hobby and they can make some money from it while at the casino that's a bonus.

Cheers,
Ricky

[jekhb76]

Jek I dont care if you want to lose your own money. I'm concerned about the ignorant newbie that believes the nonsense some members spread, then they lose money.

I've been doing exactly that. Problem is people arent getting the very simple explanations.

Yeah thats because people arent getting it.

I try saying it many different ways, even giving software and exact testing procedures, with results in their face, but I assume people either lack the intelligence, or are too lazy to actually do proper testing. I think its a combination of both.

Start with :.roulettephysics.com/roulette-strategy/

Even if I went into precise detail about a specific method or approach, and why it wont work, it is not understood. I'm typing clear english though. A mathematician would understand. Anyone with sound logic and basic understanding would. Even a high school student. But on forums, it seems the logic and understanding is just gone. Again its not my money. I have tried to explain but I'm not the only one.

Right, statistics dont lie. The problem is you arent understanding them.

Try using your "never-fail" repeaters theory to change the odds. You are stuck at 1 in 37, and stuck with payouts 35-1. Your bet selection is exactly the same as random. You changed nothing.

Then you'd better check your math.

The odds how often you will win on average. Right, its not exactly the exact output of numbers. So let's try beating roulette by using a method that has no real correlation to the variables that determine winning numbers. Sounds stupid, right? That's what repeaters tries to do.

WHY would a number repeat? If there are completely random and unpredictable game outcomes, it's random.

R A N D O M.

That means 1 in 37 accuracy.

Then practice what you preach and start looking at the variables that cause outcomes, not the outcomes that cause outcomes.

Well maybe i'm a little thickheaded sometimes, even my wife agreed to that 
But i wanna Make a bet with you Steve.
For the next coming year, we go to the casino everyday 7 days a week.
Everytime we play 37 spins and we will See 37/37 i Will pay you 10 Grand. Everytime that we don't See 37 out of 37 you pay me 10 euro! Now that 's a bet you can't refuse can you  we play 10 sessions a day that's 370 spins and 8 hours work.
I Will need to pay you 100.000 euro every day for one year. 36.5 Million euro i owe you. 
Everytime you won't See 37/37 you pay me 10 euro, that's 100 euro a day. Not bad for a day job ain't it. That's 36.500 euro a year. Great ain't it.
Now you May guess Who has to pay Who what! I'm pretty damn sure, that i can buy a great new car by the End of the year, and that you won't earn a Penny from me. Wanna bet steve? 

[Madi]

Thats not the case. Even if u dont see 37 number in 37 spin what special u can do. Can u exploit every time and come out as winner.??

[Ricky]

Thats not the case. Even if u dont see 37 number in 37 spin what special u can do. Can u exploit every time and come out as winner.??

Hi Madi,
you need to use your imagination. Think up a strategy where you see say 20 unique numbers come out. I have seen this. Would you not come up with a bet combination either straight up or via one of the other bet selections up to even chances which DOES NOT cover these unhit numbers? So you have 17 or 18 numbers left to choose for the next 17 or 18 spins after 20 spins where the first 20 were unique. would you not bet all the numbers that already came out and not bet the unhit numbers if you knew one of the 20 numbers should repeat if you have never seen 37 in 37?

cheers,
Ricky

[jekhb76]

Thats not the case. Even if u dont see 37 number in 37 spin what special u can do. Can u exploit every time and come out as winner.??

Ut wasn't ment to be serious Madi! Just to piss off Steve some More! 
No serious, he keeps telling that Random Has No limts and he is preaching  1:37 All the time even when i Keep saying that i never play 1:37 and that i never play at the House Edge.
And if you do it Right you Will never loose at the House Edge either. The House Edge is two pockets on a 37 wheel. When i play Every number that comes for as Long as there are two numbers left, i Will never loose at the House Edge. And when i put a progression into play i can turn the House Edge around in my favour. That's why i Keep telling everyone over and over again including Steve that repeaters scq hotnumbers is the best Starting Point to win at this Random game. As Long as the game produces Random numbers i can Make a System that Will win in te end. How? Well that's another question. But the stating Point is repeaters.

[Madi]

Hi Madi,
you need to use your imagination. Think up a strategy where you see say 20 unique numbers come out. I have seen this. Would you not come up with a bet combination either straight up or via one of the other bet selections up to even chances which DOES NOT cover these unhit numbers? So you have 17 or 18 numbers left to choose for the next 17 or 18 spins after 20 spins where the first 20 were unique. would you not bet all the numbers that already came out and not bet the unhit numbers if you knew one of the 20 numbers should repeat if you have never seen 37 in 37?

cheers,
Ricky
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I wouldnt bet 20 number. May b 6 number for repeat. Ok for  the shake of explanation i accept that i would bet 20 number for repeat. But that would not make a strategy successful. Thats just basic

Ricky plz continue ........