@ turbo

[Scarface]

Ricky, I like the way you think.  If on a losing streak, stay with flat bets that way your losses are limited.  If variance is on your side, use a positive progression and see exponential growth!

[Ricky]

Well, to begin with - this is a problem on your part as far as how you're thinking about it.
You can resolve this issue easily though by taking live spins from a live wheel and charting them (with RX or something similar). Then run off RNG spins, or import then from a source of random spins and you'll see the exact same events happen.
Then you can conclude that since the RNG sources don't have a physical wheel and ball, and dealer - that those things are eliminated from the "why" these things happen.
Sure, on a bias wheel you'll see strange things (Bias wheels aren't "random" and that's not what 99.9% of players are going to face) - and I've also seen dealers "aim" for sections of the wheel... it's a urban legend. When it happens, it seems as if they did it - when it doesn't happen.... it's just discounted. In reality, it doesn't happen.
A "normal" speed wheel going in one direction - a ball going in the other direction....
the deflects that happen when the ball leaves the track, the scatter all over the wheel until it lands in a pocket (and back out, back into another one, maybe back out again lol) - is all
the logic and common sense you need to know it's not possible.

Example - take a darts player.
A skilled darts player can hit a bulls eye - sometimes multiple times in a row of course.

Now consider this for a moment....
The ROOM is rotating horizontally, the platform the dart shooter is standing on is rotating horizontally in the opposite direction and the shooter wears a blindfold.
NOW - if you can tell me that the person hits the bulls eye now due to "SKILL".. then you
aren't being honest. It's no different than the dealer with the ball spinning one way, the wheel the other - the speed is NOT reliable each time and then you think that they magically hit that sector they aimed for ?  Be realistic and think about it.
Sure, the shooter will hit the bulls eye on the dart board - of course, the math says it's possible. But to then point to that and say "He's good ! He meant to do that" is absurd.
So now when it comes to hot numbers, cold numbers, rare events, patterns - you no longer NEED the wheel, the ball or the dealer in order to see how and why these things happen.
Those variables might make it random but they aren't needed for any hot or cold or rare event to happen. A person pulling balls from a hat, a RNG, atomic decay like in the video I posted.... any source of real random will produce what you think only can happen with a physical wheel and ball. Food for thought.

I'm not suggesting you will see a dealer related wheel bias on all live dealer games all the time. Some dealers are just too professional to give you any chance at identifying a rhythm . They tend to spin the wheel really fast and/or the ball really fast. They mix it up every other spin. So with your analogy of the dart player and the spinning room and the blind fold I agree you will not get the same result as if the dart player had full steady concentration. The examples I am talking about is where the wheel is spun very slowly and the ball is launched slowly so the amount of scatter and bounce is limited to a few pockets near where the ball left the track. This is the situation I was referring to. It was really easy to see what he was doing. This coupled with the fact the gamblers were egging him on to hit a certain number. But you will not experience this situation always. But it does happen. So as well as using other systems to play the game it does pay to be observant when these situations arise. Know where all the numbers on the wheel are or have a reference card and when an opportunity presents place your bets around where the ball is landing.

Having said that I see this method as very tedious and Steve admits himself if you get it wrong it can be more costly than random selection.

So a strategy like following phenomenon like repeats of numbers is an easier way to structure a bet selection. But the question all comes down to accuracy and does it provide an advantage. I guess this is where the discussion and controversy has been. People want proof that a method like Repeaters or even wheel bias is any better than random selection.

Cheers,
Ricky

[The General]

Now consider this for a moment....
The ROOM is rotating horizontally, the platform the dart shooter is standing on is rotating horizontally in the opposite direction and the shooter wears a blindfold.
NOW - if you can tell me that the person hits the bulls eye now due to "SKILL".. then you
aren't being honest. It's no different than the dealer with the ball spinning one way, the wheel the other - the speed is NOT reliable each time and then you think that they magically hit that sector they aimed for ?  Be realistic and think about it.

Turbo,

This dart player would like to challenge you to a roulette game of darts in AC.  You play your system, and I'll play my VB.  Let's see who comes out ahead after five days of play. The loser pays the winner 1k!



I must win twice as much as you do, or you win!  Yes, that's right, I'm saying that I will win 2 x more than you will with your little system!



What do you say?  Wanna go for a ride?

[jekhb76]

Well, to begin with - this is a problem on your part as far as how you're thinking about it.
You can resolve this issue easily though by taking live spins from a live wheel and charting them (with RX or something similar). Then run off RNG spins, or import then from a source of random spins and you'll see the exact same events happen.
Then you can conclude that since the RNG sources don't have a physical wheel and ball, and dealer - that those things are eliminated from the "why" these things happen.
Sure, on a bias wheel you'll see strange things (Bias wheels aren't "random" and that's not what 99.9% of players are going to face) - and I've also seen dealers "aim" for sections of the wheel... it's a urban legend. When it happens, it seems as if they did it - when it doesn't happen.... it's just discounted. In reality, it doesn't happen.
A "normal" speed wheel going in one direction - a ball going in the other direction....
the deflects that happen when the ball leaves the track, the scatter all over the wheel until it lands in a pocket (and back out, back into another one, maybe back out again lol) - is all
the logic and common sense you need to know it's not possible.

Example - take a darts player.
A skilled darts player can hit a bulls eye - sometimes multiple times in a row of course.

Now consider this for a moment....
The ROOM is rotating horizontally, the platform the dart shooter is standing on is rotating horizontally in the opposite direction and the shooter wears a blindfold.
NOW - if you can tell me that the person hits the bulls eye now due to "SKILL".. then you
aren't being honest. It's no different than the dealer with the ball spinning one way, the wheel the other - the speed is NOT reliable each time and then you think that they magically hit that sector they aimed for ?  Be realistic and think about it.
Sure, the shooter will hit the bulls eye on the dart board - of course, the math says it's possible. But to then point to that and say "He's good ! He meant to do that" is absurd.
So now when it comes to hot numbers, cold numbers, rare events, patterns - you no longer NEED the wheel, the ball or the dealer in order to see how and why these things happen.
Those variables might make it random but they aren't needed for any hot or cold or rare event to happen. A person pulling balls from a hat, a RNG, atomic decay like in the video I posted.... any source of real random will produce what you think only can happen with a physical wheel and ball. Food for thought.

Ed, i Have send you a pm, it's important.
Greetz,
Eddy

[The General]

What do you say Turbo?

Jekh, or anyone else willing to play Turbo's system is welcome to try as well.

[TurboGenius]

What do you say?  Wanna go for a ride?

You would be wasting my time - much like now. I already said we're not on the same level and I'm not replying to you anymore. Find another source of amusement.

But the question all comes down to accuracy and does it provide an advantage. I guess this is where the discussion and controversy has been. People want proof that a method like Repeaters or even wheel bias is any better than random selection.

Everyone agrees that the only way to win against the offset house payout for any location (edge) is to achieve wins higher than "expected".
If anyone read what I've repeatedly said, they would understand how this works and how to do it each and every time.
Random has limits.
A number can't appear twice unless it's shown once.
It can't appear three times unless it's shows twice. (and etc.)
Steve and General think it's a joke (or they are pretending that it is while they already know what I'm saying is correct... either way irrelevant to me).

Think about "potential" outcomes in a random game.
Any number that hasn't appeared since you began playing (not past spins) is
potentially a long term sleeper.
Any number that has appeared since you began playing is potentially a hot number.

You can't lose a single unit if you don't play the sleeper/cold numbers as they are
cold if you never bet on them. This changes the math of the game.

You walk up and sit down and Joe says "Damn, I've been here 4 hours and #11 hasn't shown up yet that whole time !" - Now think... if you're playing hot numbers, and you had been playing next to Joe - you would have NEVER lost a single bet on #11 because you would have had no reason to play it, therefore you never lost due to it being "cold".
Likewise - any hot number you would have won on continuously.
Do Hot numbers go cold ? Yes. They also appear at "expected" as well in the future.
Do Cold numbers go hot ? Yes. They also appear at "expected" as well in the future.

A math person would tell you to chart the "possibilities" and you'll get a nice little
graph - then you'll see that there's only one reliable way to play and that is on hot numbers. If cold number(s) appear and start becoming hot, you'll be on them as well and profit.
But you'll never profit on any location where numbers appear below expected while you're betting on them.....

This is all common sense and logic, but it's humorous of course to those who don't think for themselves. To everyone else - they'll completely understand. They might even work out the math as I have that proves it.

[The General]

You would be wasting my time - much like now. I already said we're not on the same level and I'm not replying to you anymore. Find another source of amusement.

I'm going to sweeten the deal.  I must win 3 x as much as you win in order to win the bet!
What do you say?

[Andre Chass]

Hahaha... The general, the funniest guy in this forum!

Turbochicken. 

[The General]

Everyone agrees that the only way to win against the offset house payout for any location (edge) is to achieve wins higher than "expected".
If anyone read what I've repeatedly said, they would understand how this works and how to do it each and every time.
Random has limits.
A number can't appear twice unless it's shown once.
It can't appear three times unless it's shows twice. (and etc.)

Look out he's started again with the rocket science.

Turbo, did you know a number can't appear once unless it hasn't hit before?
In order to win you have to place a bet? 

[ozon]

A bit different topic, but I've already added screens of sessions in this topic.
A concept other than Turbo, based on trends.
We'll see how it will behave on many spins.

The assumption is a 3 streets game, not every spin, totally flatbet.  First 5000 spins.

[Turner]

A math person would tell you to chart the "possibilities" and you'll get a nice little
graph - then you'll see that there's only one reliable way to play and that is on hot numbers. If cold number(s) appear and start becoming hot, you'll be on them as well and profit.

Couldnt agree more

Dont let the flies spoil the day
Take comfort in the knowledge that when flies arnt buzzin around...their lives amount to crawling around on some peice of dog shit

[TurboGenius]

.their lives amount to crawling around on some peice of dog shit

Nicely put !

[The General]

A math person would tell you to chart the "possibilities" and you'll get a nice little
graph - then you'll see that there's only one reliable way to play and that is on hot numbers. If cold number(s) appear and start becoming hot, you'll be on them as well and profit.

Intelligent people call that guessing.

Turbo,

What about the challenge? 

I must win 3 x as much as you win in order to win the bet!

[Turner]

Intelligent people call that guessing.

intelligent people would understand it

[Andre Chass]

intelligent people would understand it

Intelligent people would understand that the hot numbers strategy is a big fallacy