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[jekhb76]

It's nothing personal against Turbo Genius. He has serious personality problems.
I'm just trying to help people think with their own heads and not waste their time on a fantasy.

If you want you can ban me from this forum.

I will give it a break for a while

Maybe you, Steve, the General and Co must stop thinking and speaking for us! Let us find our own way and Let us decide what's best for us. You All are bashing Turbo and Keep saying that his metgod is worthless and that you are all saying that to open our eyes.
Well, i'm 42! I think that i certanly can think for myself, i don't need you or others say what's best for me. And i can speak for other members as well. Let us be, and Let us Judge for our own. If you don't agree with Turbo, that's Fine, but don't bother the rest of us (those Who want to learn) with your disaproval. And i Mean everyone that is bashing All the Time.

[SWEET]

Thanks Cht,
Try to understand Lott.

Btw,
You say,
24n in 38spins, then,
24n, in next 38spins, then,
24n, in next 38spins....

Thus if we look closely,
There must a group of numbers that appeared on all previous three sets of 38spins...
WILL that group of numbers, or a few of that group hit again, in next 38spins???!!

[cht]

Thanks Cht,
Try to understand Lott.

Btw,
You say,
24n in 38spins, then,
24n, in next 38spins, then,
24n, in next 38spins....

Thus if we look closely,
There must a group of numbers that appeared on all previous three sets of 38spins...
WILL that group of numbers, or a few of that group hit again, in next 38spins???!!

By RTM principle I followed the "cold numbers" that were under-performing that may eventually return to the mean making them hit above average during my play session.

[SWEET]

By RTM principle I followed the "cold numbers" that were under-performing that may eventually return to the mean making them hit above average during my play session.

That must be long wait, and many spins to bet?! 1000spins perhaps? !

[cht]

That must be long wait, and many spins to bet?! 1000spins perhaps? !

In a sense that we understand RTM, yes the wait is long.

In the graphs I posted earlier, the wait is short within a normal play session. That's where I had to figure out how to locate "cold numbers" within much shorter cycles. There's one graph where I had to wait mid-game for the "cold number" to activate.

Note - I am not saying this is how TG plays. I merely used the principles he propounds in these forums. And there are still a lot of stuff that has to be explored further that takes time that I don't have. 

[SWEET]

Thanks Cht,
I read somewhere, that 3700spins for eu, and 3800spins for US wheel, that all number must RTM,  to at least around 80hit per3700spins Rtm wise, thus if a number sleep for say 300spins, then hit, follow that till 70spins of no hit, stop loss.
Follow again when hit again. Keep bet if hit whithin 70spins.
If it hit 80/3700, then at the tail end will produce profit...
Just idea for simulating.

[The General]

By RTM principle I followed the "cold numbers" that were under-performing that may eventually return to the mean making them hit above average during my play session.

The RTM doesn't say that the numbers will ever catch up to one another. That notion is part of the gambler's fallacy.

With the RTM a number could be 40 hits below average after 5000 spins,  and then 100 spins below average after 20,000 spins but appear to be catching up because the percentages look like they're merging closer together.  The percentages that represent the hit frequencies will appear to merge but the numeric differences may actually grow much larger! 

With the RTM your expectation moving forward should always be just expectation, not that events will catch up to one another.

[The General]

you have made your point (several times) Turbo baiting is getting a tad boring but insulting most of the forum is too much

Give it a rest!

Suggestion,

If you find that a thread is boring, then don't read it. 

[ZERO]

Suggestion,

If you find that a thread is boring, then don't read it. 

It`s not the thread that`s boring, only Andre Chass`s comments! The guy`s a joke, everything he accuses other members of is exactly what he himself does or has done...

[cht]

For those interested in RTM.

link:s://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regression_toward_the_mean

Btw, I am very familar with this RTM subject. I wrote the code that paints the visual of variance and mean in the image I posted earlier that allows for the actual observation of the distribution as it plays out.

[Roulettebeater]

Guys
In short england is playing its first match in fifa‘s world cup against tunisia!

Watch the game and leave turbo and steve fight alone

[Joe]

With the RTM a number could be 40 hits below average after 5000 spins,  and then 100 spins below average after 20,000 spins but appear to be catching up because the percentages look like they're merging closer together.  The percentages that represent the hit frequencies will appear to merge but the numeric differences may actually grow much larger!

I don't think this is right. What you're talking about sounds more like the Law of Large Numbers. Regression to the mean says that if an outcome is extreme the next outcome is likely to be less extreme - closer to the average. So if you see 10 reds the next 10 spins is more likely to be closer to the average of 5. But I know what you mean about the gambler's fallacy, some gambler's think that by waiting for 10 reds it's more likely that the next 10 results will have less reds, which is true, but only because the most likely outcome is always the average (the waiting doesn't have any merit).

[Madi]

The RTM doesn't say that the numbers will ever catch up to one another. That notion is part of the gambler's fallacy.



With the RTM your expectation moving forward should always be just expectation, not that events will catch up to one another.

U r right but its not a fallacy. Ten red in a row now i can expect that next ten spin there wont be ten red(extreme) means there can b a black at least and u can launch a marti theoritically.

74 th spin. 1 number hits 4 times and stoped there at 4s. I can see another number moving toward 4s now stationed with a 3 hit in current cycle. The average says 74 th spin u must get a number on 5s.i can expect that the 4 hitter will not perform(xtreme) like before and ligically another has to replace it and go to 5s.

We can use RTM in our favour not in fallacious way

[jekhb76]

U r right but its not a fallacy. Ten red in a row now i can expect that next ten spin there wont be ten red(extreme) means there can b a black at least and u can launch a marti theoritically.

74 th spin. 1 number hits 4 times and stoped there at 4s. I can see another number moving toward 4s now stationed with a 3 hit in current cycle. The average says 74 th spin u must get a number on 5s.i can expect that the 4 hitter will not perform(xtreme) like before and ligically another has to replace it and go to 5s.

We can use RTM in our favour not in fallacious way

No you are Right Madi, it's not fallacy.
It is working towards a rare event. But the 1/37 doesn't change. But.....And here Comes the but, the More reds we See in a row, the More likely it is to See a Black one real soon. Why? Simple, because of Random, random has limits! No Steve, you can't, argue about this, it is what it is. Random says that a Black one Will eventualy come. The only problem is, we don't know when. But rest asure Steve, you Will never See 100 reds in your Lifetime, it Just can't happen due to Random!

[The General]

U r right but its not a fallacy. Ten red in a row now i can expect that next ten spin there wont be ten red(extreme) means there can b a black at least and u can launch a marti theoritically.



We can use RTM in our favour not in fallacious way

No, RTM is of no use whatsoever.  You're still not understanding what expectation means.  Moving forward after ten reds in a row have hit, our expectation moving forward is that red is just as likely as black to hit.  Meaning, what's hit in the past is completely and utterly irrelevant.

The expectation moving forward is ALWAYS the same because the number of pockets in which the ball can fall is always the same.

Example: If red is running 10 hits behind black then your expectation moving forward should be that it will forever remain 10 hits behind black and that both red and black have the same odds of hitting.


In a game without a zero: 
In 100 spins, red has hit 45 times and black has hit 55 times.  Red is hitting 45% of the time and black is hitting 55% of the time.
After 100,000 spins red has hit 49,995 times and black has hit 50,005 times.  Red is now hitting 49.995% of the time and black is hitting 50.005% of the time.  Even though red looks like it has caught up, it's still 10 hits behind black, even though the percentages of hits have appeared to converge.