@ turbo

[TurboGenius]

I really wouldn't be surprised to find out that you were Turbo. He isn't here to help, he's here to play a game of cryptic messages, oxymorons and clues.  It's bizzare how people like you believe otherwise, which is why I think you are part of the weird game.  It's hard to believe that anybody would fall for his absurd nonsense.

If so many people "fall for it" don't you ever have to stop and think that maybe YOU are the one who's wrong, and maybe it's not nonsense after-all ? No, you don't seem capable of that line of thought. Instead everyone is wrong and being foolish.
You could use the same energy working it out.

Steve - you keep saying "Go out and make millions".
So as the "head" computer guy and with General as the "head" bias guy -
two ways that work and work very well - why aren't YOU two out making
millions ?
Clearly no one (AP) is doing this. I know the story is that bias wheel players
and discreet computer users make a killing but that doesn't seem to be the case.
Sure there is the "stories" of big wins against casinos - but it's not common at all.
It certainly should be !!!  With advantages that you two alone have - why aren't you both
making "millions" ?
To the readers, it looks as if this HUGE advantage you guys have doesn't really pay off very well.
I'd also love to start a thread about AP players and the huge effort they have to go through when in reality they could make more money, easier and reliably doing it a different way.
(Has anyone watched "Escape Plan" ?)  But that's for another day.

[Turner]

Caleb just needs to feel in control. No proof of anything he says....and he lampoons Turbo for no proof.
Sad...transparent...totally predictable.

The AP doth protest too much, methinks

[Steve]

Only played 1 day (Sunday) - reached 4th with only the 3k sign in bonus, none of the others were needed or used...
Bets never exceeded typical table limits min/max
Magic and Voodoo I know !!!

Still wasting time winning fun money? Who are you trying to convince? Nobody, right? If you want to impress people, do it with real money.

Past spins ?
I said it before - no one eats a dinner and on the last fork of mashed potatoes says "These potatoes are better than the past dinner" - because it's the same dinner.

Stupid answer to a clear and simple question. Looks like dodging the question. Because you know if you say you're using past spins, we can prove your "hot numbers" method does not change the 1 in 37 odds, and ultimately your bet selection is the same as random. So instead you give a deliberately unclear answer.

Why it's so hard to understand that spins contained within your playing session aren't past spins is beyond me

Because you aren't giving a clear answer, likely deliberately. Your bets are based on recent winning numbers within your playing session, right? Hence the term "hot numbers". That's past spins, so why not just say it?

It's what I always say - the mentality is 1 SPIN and that's it

Actually no, I'm thinking of BOTH the next spin, AND any spins in the near or distant future. The math of it still starts from the amount of pockets on the wheel. So any combination of winning numbers is 1 in 37, then 1 in 37, then 1 in 37 etc. And you think the 1 in 37 giving us eventual repeaters and "hot numbers" is something other than very basic probability.

Then they want 1,000,000 spins to test something because all of a sudden.... ALL THOSE SPINS matter !!!!!!!!!

Yes, proper testing matters. Start with the principle that supposedly changes the odds. But your approach falls flat from the beginning.

Turbo, your answer is probably the most evasive I've seen yet. I understand you're in a corner but it's beneficial for everyone if you give black and white answers instead of vague nonsense.

[falkor2k15]

I think repeats have everything to do with past numbers, as they are based on facts surrounding a sequence of any numbers - past, present or future. Let's use this dozens example (excl. zero):

I blindly look back on the marquee and find a number (9) that is dozen 1:

1...

Now I have 33% chance for dozen 1,2 or 3 some 10 spins later...

11...
or
12...
or
13...

However, since 2/3 dozens don't match the earlier dozen 1, there is a 66% chance the dozen will be different to any past dozen I decide to put in front of the latest dozen (unless they were not randomly generated):

12...
or
13...

Now I've got 2 past dozens (taken from any number sequence - here generated by the roulette wheel).

Again, there's 33% chance we can get dozen 1,2 or 3 next spin, but when I put it after 2 previous unique dozens from the past I get a 66% chance of matching one of them - simply by the laws of number sequences (combinatorics) and natural patterns:

121
122
131
133

So the repeat has nothing to do with prediction. It's a completely different phenomena... but it's based on past spins!

[Steve]

don't you ever have to stop and think that maybe YOU are the one who's wrong, and maybe it's not nonsense after-all ?

I gave it careful consideration, just like I did with flat Earth theory. But when literally every fact indicates Earth is round, and your bet selection is no better than random, at some point I have to call it for what it is.

Steve - you keep saying "Go out and make millions". So as the "head" computer guy and with General as the "head" bias guy -
two ways that work and work very well - why aren't YOU two out making
millions ?

What makes you think I'm not? You at least vaguely know how computers work. And my teams beat almost every wheel with at least a 20% edge. Do the math. Although I dont play much anymore. Mostly I just watch live video of my players winning in casinos.

Clearly no one (AP) is doing this.

Not sure about that one.

Sure there is the "stories" of big wins against casinos - but it's not common at all. It certainly should be !!! 

A lot more common than you obviously know. There are few stories because most APs stay under the radar, for obvious reasons.

I'd also love to start a thread about AP players and the huge effort they have to go through when in reality they could make more money, easier and reliably doing it a different way.

Ok you do that. And the APs will show clear and verifiable proof of effectiveness, instead of vague evasive answers like yours. And I'm not sure I go through a huge effort to beat wheels. I can literally beat almost every wheel with my eyes closed.

[falkor2k15]

Hi Steve, one last thing to consider about the flat earth, but I won't discuss it or argue about it as I don't want to upset anyone or get banned. However, you are welcome to discuss by PM (same goes for anyone else).

Again, I won't answer any questions about this meme or the flat earth here to avoid disruption.

Back to repeats and past spins, which is good to discuss...

I just spun number 7 - dozen 1 again:

1

Now the properties of that dozen 1 has everything to do with whatever past number sequence I decide to put in front of it:

2             1... here it's a unique
12           1... here our 1 is a 1st repeat
1231       1... here our 1 is a 2nd repeat

So it all depends what past spins you take in order to determine whether something has repeated or not. Again, cannot be used for prediction.

So what's the difference, if any, between constantly betting the same 2 dozens or trying to follow a past number sequence that requires different dozens but still results in break even? That's the question I think we need to focus on. Maybe TG has a winning method, but he doesn't understand how it works.

[Steve]

Falkor, the moon orbits earth so an eclipse is not improbable at all. The distance of the moon clearly varies too, which is why most eclipses are only partial. Total eclipses are more rare but remember the moon goes around and around, and is bound to block the sun sometimes. And no, I don't think realistically it is a hologram.

Because of perspective and varying distances, the moon may sometimes appear the same size as the sun.  And you know, you can see the moon is round, and the sides of it too. So it's clearly round too. What makes our planet so special it needs to be flat? You have been duped by fake news.

Again, you posted bad logic from flat earthers. I didnt remove moderation for this. You had ample time to give you best evidence and gave nothing valid to substantiate your theories. Now please let's move on.

[Bigbroben]

Hehe,
Is this related to flat-betting theory?

[Taotie]

the moon goes around and around, and is bound to block the sun sometimes.

the ball goes around and around and is bound to land on your number sometimes.

[TurboGenius]

Again, I won't answer any questions about this meme or the flat earth here to avoid disruption.

It is truly astounding and damn near impossible how the math works out
when you calculate the size, distance of the sun from earth and the size, distance of the moon from earth.
The odds of this happening are mind blowing.
The sun being 395 times the size of the moon (damn near exactly) AND
395 times farther away then the moon (damn near exactly).
As far as we know, nowhere in the universe is this repeated. ANYWHERE.
The moon rotates at EXACTLY the same speed as it takes to go around the earth - (synchronous rotation) so it revolves itself 1 time exactly as it revolves 1 time around the earth. Amazing math coincidence I suppose. Go figure. The odds of it are off the scale of possibility. Cool topic all in itself.

[falkor2k15]

It is truly astounding and damn near impossible how the math works out
when you calculate the size, distance of the sun from earth and the size, distance of the moon from earth.
The odds of this happening are mind blowing.
The sun being 395 times the size of the moon (damn near exactly) AND
395 times farther away then the moon (damn near exactly).
As far as we know, nowhere in the universe is this repeated. ANYWHERE.
The moon rotates at EXACTLY the same speed as it takes to go around the earth - (synchronous rotation) so it revolves itself 1 time exactly as it revolves 1 time around the earth. Amazing math coincidence I suppose. Go figure. The odds of it are off the scale of possibility. Cool topic all in itself.

Finally... I think the first person ever to admit he understands (though I think everyone understands in secret but too painful to admit).

"It is truly astounding and damn near impossible how the math works out
when you calculate the size, distance of the sun from earth and the size, distance of the moon from earth.
The odds of this happening are mind blowing.
The sun being 395 times the size of the moon (damn near exactly) AND
395 times farther away then the moon (damn near exactly).
As far as we know, nowhere in the universe is this repeated. ANYWHERE"

AND

"The moon rotates at EXACTLY the same speed as it takes to go around the earth - (synchronous rotation) so it revolves itself 1 time exactly as it revolves 1 time around the earth. Amazing math coincidence I suppose. Go figure. The odds of it are off the scale of possibility. "

IN THE SAME SYSTEM!

[TurboGenius]

A lot more common than you obviously know. There are few stories because most APs stay under the radar, for obvious reasons.

Therefore we must assume their amazing claims are valid because............
A few of them can actually do it I suppose...I'm 100% sure those few individuals have no reason to frequent internet roulette forums.
Then again a few people have just had amazing luck and won 300 or 400 or 500 million $ lotteries as well by chance alone - and they face the odds of winning vs losing that make roulette look like a ant compared to a elephant.
But any systems players or people who use methods to win reliably over time
are treated like an absurd Bigfoot sighting ?  It's impossible ?  Strange.
How about considering that it's possible ? No ?  Just a thought.
My point was that of course those AP players never have to prove their claims
at all - and they shouldn't. But anyone working on systems is just a clown and uninformed - or lost in fantasy. It's amazing.

[TurboGenius]

IN THE SAME SYSTEM!

It is truly one astounding math coincidence (I use that word to please both sides lol).
It's impossible yet it's there. Also fun is that the planets orbit the sun - but the sun actually orbits a position quite far away from it's center. Science teaches us one thing - we don't know a damn thing when it comes down to it. Everything that was "fact" for centuries is being proven wrong, and every day we have to change what the facts are as we learn more.
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Kind of like roulette - where everyone will state what "experts" have said over and over - that it can't be beaten with math or a system. But hey, the experts are the experts I guess.

[Steve]

Therefore we must assume their amazing claims are valid because............

I'm someone doing it. And i manage, and taught other players also doing it. If you dont believe it, it's not hard to learn even basic vb to understand for yourself it aint rocket science.

Then again a few people have just had amazing luck and won 300 or 400 or 500 million $ lotteries as well by chance alone - and they face the odds of winning vs losing that make roulette look like a ant compared to a elephant.

Huh? Lottery is a bit different to roulette.

But any systems players or people who use methods to win reliably over time are treated like an absurd Bigfoot sighting ?  It's impossible ?  Strange.

Reliably? Like your MPR results?

How about considering that it's possible ? No ?  Just a thought.

I already know your approach doesnt work because I've done my own testing of the same theories, and so have many others.

when you calculate the size, distance of the sun from earth and the size, distance of the moon from earth. The odds of this happening are mind blowing. The sun being 395 times the size of the moon (damn near exactly) AND 395 times farther away then the moon (damn near exactly).

Actually the odds arent low at all. Perhaps you just dont understand the variables. I know you dont believe what falkor is saying but you are twisting information to make what point? That there's more to the story? You already gave everything needed to know your theory is incorrect.

But anyone working on systems is just a clown and uninformed - or lost in fantasy. It's amazing.

Not exactly. Everyone learns at their own rate, and virtually everyone needs to experience the constant "back to the drawing board" situation. The problem with you is your math and logic is backwards and incorrect. You're allowed to be wrong. Just be more careful about what you claim is the truth, as you can easily mislead newer players.

[The General]

Therefore we must assume their amazing claims are valid because............
A few of them can actually do it I suppose...I'm 100% sure those few individuals have no reason to frequent internet roulette forums.
Then again a few people have just had amazing luck and won 300 or 400 or 500 million $ lotteries as well by chance alone - and they face the odds of winning vs losing that make roulette look like a ant compared to a elephant.
But any systems players or people who use methods to win reliably over time
are treated like an absurd Bigfoot sighting ?  It's impossible ?  Strange.
How about considering that it's possible ? No ?  Just a thought.
My point was that of course those AP players never have to prove their claims
at all - and they shouldn't. But anyone working on systems is just a clown and uninformed - or lost in fantasy. It's amazing.

Turbo,

How about that challenge?

AC?
NY?
Vegas?
Bahamas?

When, where?