@ turbo

[thelaw]

i can see you literally are a sociopath with your attention seeking, lies and misleading comments

I think this is called Turbo-derangement syndrome. 

Seriously Steve, your posts are now giving TG much more attention, so you are officially part of the "problem".

You're now calling him names, which just looks petty. Either ban him, or let it go.

[TurboGenius]

But if they have at least half a brain they'll do proper testing without real money so they know better.

I completely agree with that quote Steve.
Anyone, ANYONE should test - and test - and test. This can lead to improvements
as well.
Validation is important before using actual money.
And use simulations, both RNG and live wheels/actual spins - make sure you have
what you have before risking ANY money.

But remember, posting those positive testing results will automatically put you into the pool of the ignorant. Testing is key - then testing means nothing. Contradiction ?

Parx online and RS, RX, Celtic and any other means that produce RNG spins or actual spins don't count - they are all rigged (even if you stay within actual casino table limits....RIGGED !) - and if you take 3k to the casino but your testing site gives you 3k bankroll to use....RIGGED !!  Avoid these at all costs, clearly they aren't realistic.. no one takes a bankroll to the casino to play and no one sticks with the table limits in the real world lol.
So test properly - then don't use those results or post them because it's clearly wrong.
This leaves you with actual live play with money right from the start - but don't do that either. When you win you won't have played enough spins to prove anything, you'll be compelled in your brain to return all winnings in a briefcase because those wins don't count.

That's it - sorry everyone. There is MPR or forget it and get a computer.

Are you really that thick? No casino allows consistent winning regardless of method.

No, No, No !!!  I haven't even won yet - I just sit down at the table and buy in and then tell them I'm using a computer. It's ok right ?  No, it's not. It has nothing to do with winning - it has to do with the rules that devices are not allowed at the table.
That means be "discreet", be "covert", be sneaky and trickery will make you money !
Doesn't that sound silly ? Is that me being thick ?  lol
At least bias wheel players exploit a defect that the casino presents you to play on.
There's nothing wrong with that at all - period. It's their equipment and lack of maintenance that caused the problem and exploiting it isn't a problem.
A player can only gamble on what they give you to gamble on. No rules are broken.

So before even winning a dollar, I can't tell them I'm using a computer.
It's not allowed and has to be hidden/covert/etc. But that's not "wrong" ?
Is it only "wrong" if you get caught ?

But anyway - I don't win the amounts that the casino would care about, so NO - I'll never be banned for winning. I play multiple locations. Everything I'm doing is perfectly smart and won't get me banned for winning, unless I follow your advice and go make millions !!!
Then I'd be screwed and rightfully so. I'll make it slow and steady and increase my bets as I go - the RIGHT way. That means it's not fast enough for you, of well... it's NOT your money. lol

[TurboGenius]

Turbo
You are suffering from a uncurable sickness called “selfishness”
All what you looking for is recieving attention.

I guess you mean 'incurable' and 'receiving' ( "I" before "e", except after "c" )
I've not asked anyone for a penny and I've asked no one for attention.
You however scream for attention by making the same post(s) over and over
whenever I say something. It makes it a little obvious who has the problem, but
I digress - your name says it all - as "Roulette Beater" you clearly have already
beaten the game, and toying with the likes of me must simply be a hobby.
"All you want is attention - and I'm going to keep giving you my attention"
You make no logical sense. But it's your post - go make millions. lol

[Steve]

Parx online and RS, RX, Celtic and any other means that produce RNG spins or actual spins don't count

More manipulation. I never said anything like celtic or real casinos being rigged. I simply said the math of parx and rs betting limits allow anyone to win millions.

And for months you boasted parx and rs results as proof of your hg, which you claim never loses.  Pretty obvious you chose rs and parx because you couldn't win elsewhere and you wanted to convince people you had the hg. It has all been said before. Only the newcomers have no idea.

Show me what casino gives you $3000 every day for nothing, so you can build your bankroll perpetually. Still can't do it? So tell me again,  its realistic. Tell me again even slot players winning millions regularly is realistic, as they do at parx. Go ahead, say again the bonuses don't count to wins. Say again you never ever bet any bonus money.  You certainly hang on tight and ignore really basic math.

You are clinging to bad logic to convince people you have the hg, but it fell apart.

As for your comments about ap and avoiding detection,  you've got no idea. As I've said many times, i dont care if you or anyone doesn't like the idea of my approaches. Don't use them. They aren't for everyone. You are the one who keeps mentioning them. They are not relevant to the discussion.

Again it comes back to you've fooled a few inexperienced people,  who haven't tested properly yet. Some already changed their mind and now know better after more testing.  It's a matter of time before the others catch up. I just hope for their sake they don't lose much, but its their choice and fault to ignore really basic principles and math.

[The General]

Tg sits down .u play all numbers that have only hit once after spin 20 .. then u drink ten beers and leave. ( I made that all up)

There's another logic problem.  We have the word AFTER.  It's often used in the same paragraph as, "Doesn't rely on past spins!"

So AFTER a number has hit, then why is it more likely than another un hit number to hit over the next series of spins?

Logic, it's always in the way!

[Nimo]

Guys, I'm searching for a casino that has table limits of $10,000? Please can you help me find one? I only bet hot numbers since only they can reach 2 or more repeats... cold numbers cannot reach 2 repeats if they have never had 1 repeat, so why bet cold numbers!? 

William Hill, they have generous limits. But they are different for different accounts.  Here are my limits.

[Scarface]

Falkner, here's something you may or may not want to try.  Test 108 spins...this would be 3 cycles of 36.  Look at how the numbers fall.  How many numbers repeat once before you have one repeat a third time?  When the first number repeats a fourth time, how many 2peaters and 3peaters are there?  Look at how this all plays out over your 108 spins.  What's the ratio between the hottest number and coldest at the end of 108 spins?

Now do this over and over.  You will see how predictable random can be.  There will be an unequal distribution of numbers every time.  And the front runners will stand out as the game progresses.  Look at how many numbers underperform vs overperform.  As I said, things get quite predictable and this is information that you can use. 

[Nimo]

Again it comes back to you've fooled a few inexperienced people,  who haven't tested properly yet. Some already changed their mind and now know better after more testing.  It's a matter of time before the others catch up. I just hope for their sake they don't lose much, but its their choice and fault to ignore really basic principles and math.

Haven't been on here for awhile been testing and still testing with real money, at spin 18356, over +200000 units and counting. Way over any progression that could ever go bust.   RNG online.  No hidden roulette computer, no wobbly wheels, no need to track thousands of spins to find a bias.  Just start playing a session and stop when it's over.  Steve you told me to go make my millions on roulette, thanks, it's working great!

[falkor2k15]

Falkner, here's something you may or may not want to try.  Test 108 spins...this would be 3 cycles of 36.  Look at how the numbers fall.  How many numbers repeat once before you have one repeat a third time?  When the first number repeats a fourth time, how many 2peaters and 3peaters are there?  Look at how this all plays out over your 108 spins.  What's the ratio between the hottest number and coldest at the end of 108 spins?

Now do this over and over.  You will see how predictable random can be.  There will be an unequal distribution of numbers every time.  And the front runners will stand out as the game progresses.  Look at how many numbers underperform vs overperform.  As I said, things get quite predictable and this is information that you can use.

I've already demonstrated sufficiently using the dozen examples how hot/cold is insignificant/irrelevant to escaping break even. Despite the different ratios the game remains break even because every spin is independent - nothing more than a collection of static bets. One man's repeat could be another man's unique. It's all an illusion - but check out my last posting in the "crazy talk" topic. 

[Scarface]

Despite the different ratios the game remains break even because every spin is independent - nothing more than a collection of static bets.

Your comparison with dozens to singles is like apples and oranges.

Another suggestion.  Don't look at the result of 1000s of spins, or millions.  Look at the cycle you are playing...like my example of 108 spins.  K ow what to expect.  Know how variance will work with you and against you. Once you see how random is predictable, use this data.  There are always entry and exit points where profit is made.  There are times you got to know when to change your bet selection and reset.  Testing what I suggested will give you this knowledge.  Don't just run an excel simulation for thousands of spins...waste of time.  Takes a little more than that

[falkor2k15]

Your comparison with dozens to singles is like apples and oranges.

Another suggestion.  Don't look at the result of 1000s of spins, or millions.  Look at the cycle you are playing...like my example of 108 spins.  K ow what to expect.  Know how variance will work with you and against you. Once you see how random is predictable, use this data.  There are always entry and exit points where profit is made.  There are times you got to know when to change your bet selection and reset.  Testing what I suggested will give you this knowledge.  Don't just run an excel simulation for thousands of spins...waste of time.  Takes a little more than that

You are talking too vague, like a politician. The stats and averages tell us how each cycle is likely to behave based on expected length for the next 0 or 1 or 2 depending on the viewpoint (see the spreadsheet I posted a few pages back). So when we look at the cycle we are currently playing all info comes from simulating that same scenario millions of times prior. Each permutation of variance is independent and doesn't recover from any extreme situation, so it cannot be exploited. Regarding dozens vs. straights you should know that a winning roulette system needs to work in all PHP universes - dependent only on the number of uniques in a given playing position/group. Everything breaks even regardless because the different probabilities are in harmony with the different payouts for each group respectively.

[Scarface]

Falkner, I do not play the dozen cycle that you do.  My game is very different, so I can't comment on what you're doing.  Looks as if you're trying to somehow apply a repeater concept to whatever dozen method you're playing. 

A number can be hot inside a dozen, but that will not necessarily make that dozen hot. 

That's not to say you don't have a good system...its just different.  If you know the probability of your selection, you can beat it.  There are always entry and exit points to make a profit.  My advice is use good money management!  Not steep progressions...variance will always swing back in your favor.  A good system player will never rely on 1 spin to profit when down....usually takes several hits in a short period to get back up.  If you rely on 1 hit to profit, your progression is way too high

[falkor2k15]

Dozens are dependent on the numbers. When the numbers are hot then so are the dozens... 

Knowing the probability cannot help because of the proportionate payout odds. If there are entry and exit points they certainly aren't based on anything as mundane as hot/cold.

Anyway, I think I just found some edge, but it only uses the repeats framework - not hot/cold. In dozen cycles CL1 is 33%, CL2 is 44% and CL3 is 22% - but did you ever see the stats for CL1 and CL3 swapped around? So you know my strategy...

CL1   35780   24%
CL2   65208   43%
CL3   49877   33%
   150865   

[denzie]

Funny how that (+1 hidden) always looking here. Although he said he doesnt have time to follow all ....

Men...your full of sh!t ... Yup

And we all know it too 

Bonanza....he's on his horse

[Steve]

Let's get some things clear, again.

I dont care if anyone believes "random is predictable", "math beats a math game" (although the math shows payouts are less than win expectation), or all the other nonsense turbo claims. People find out for themselves, eventually.

I dont care if turbo rants elsewhere. I only care when a self-professed guru uses my forum to mislead people. As admin, I'm responsible for allowing free speech, but drawing the line when the guru harmfully misleads people. Several people have angrily blamed me for following losing approaches they found on the forum. Of course it's not my fault - it's theirs for not testing properly. So I put the warnings on the home page and sometimes get involved in discussions.

My responses have nothing to do with his methods vs mine. That's a shortsighted view. It's the equivalent of attacking the messenger instead of the message. Turbo has not been able to refute the logic that reveals his mistakes. Experienced players including myself have refuted his, and his response is nonsense like 2 comes after 1, 3 is after 2. Anything clear he revealed, rather than vague, is "verifiably" incorrect. For now, turbo's supporters dont understand it.

It is no coincidence that the experienced members also highlight the holes in turbo's math and logic. It's no coincidence turbo would be laughed off a math forum. And it's no coincidence every gaming professional, casino consultant, mathematician or even reasonably educated person is against turbo's logic. They must all work for me, right? Don't be so naive, understand what is being said, grow up and see the bigger picture.

Seriously Steve, your posts are now giving TG much more attention, so you are officially part of the "problem". You're now calling him names, which just looks petty. Either ban him, or let it go

I guessed you missed it. Turbo said himself he's a sociopath. Not so strangely, the definition fits well. Calling him as such is not personal. Neither is explaining his logic errors. I assume you too don't understand the absurdity of turbo's logic and contradictions, right? Perhaps you also believe casinos give you $3000 daily for showing up and that it's not an advantage over players who don't get the bonus, right? Or perhaps you haven't bothered to read. You may benefit by better understanding the situation before posting.

Funny how that (+1 hidden) always looking here. Although he said he doesnt have time to follow all ....

Why would I try to hide reading my own forum, or a topic when clearly I'm reading and responding? Rather than your questionable logic, perhaps question why Turbo spends so much time trying to convince people here, and on other forums, and with clearly unrealistic "play money games", that he has the hg and "literally never loses"? 

Anyway this thread was a response to turbos claims that he'll prove he has the hg. It began like the flat earth topic. I saw the gaping holes in logic and understanding, but approached it with an open mind. And turbo's so-called proof and claims confirmed my suspicions.

The people who naively believe turbo's "I can only win if its random" and "I never lose" nonsense have one thing in common: they haven't tested properly. That's why people that previously supported him, and now tested properly, feel quite differently. They too once thought I had the problem.

Ultimately as I said before, those still believing turbo will eventually find out for themselves.