@ turbo

[maestro]

I'm open to the possibility of being wrong. Thats how this thread started. Turbo said he'll prove his theories correct. I waited, paid close attention, and considered everything. And in the end it was a wild goose chase full of his misunderstandings, contradictions and backwards logic. It has all been explained before. Read back carefully. I even gave flat earth serious unbiased consideration. I have a rather open mind.

point taken Steve...i also wanted to see math of Turbos and why expecttttttttttttt is positive but so far i did not sse it
maybe he will post it

[Anastasius]

Tg post a graph with at least hundred k spins. That way u won't reviel ans show them.anything can happen over 200 spin and u could be posting only winning games. Ur arousing many gamblors fury ha

[Anastasius]

Math is possible for example if 24 total numbers was still the most common after 18 uniques I'd beaten thousands upon thousnd of played spins but Ben showed me in fact 26 is the most common and I'm working around it.its a maths fact.

[Steve]

Turbo hasn't revealed math directly. But importantly, he revealed concepts that can be expressed mathematically. And this is one area where his claims come undone.

It's not my opinion. Math is not based on opinion.

One example is his claim that "random has limits". He cited numbers not sleeping more than 200 spins, which is incorrect. A fact easily demonstrated.

Another is "you'll never see 37 numbers in 37 spins". Actually given enough spins you'll see every combination of numbers. The proof is run simulations. The combination of numbers 1,2,3,4,5 is exactly as rare as 32,18,3,14,2. Test the same concept with a dice. It's not about rare events. It's about expectation vs payout.

There are many examples of his mistakes. They all sound logical, but are incorrect and shortsighted. Most importantly, they are verifiable. Unquestionably. There is no doubt.

Even for months he held onto the notion that parx was completely realistic and that his high ranks were due solely to his "never- lose hg". He flat refused to acknowledge the verifiable mathematical effect of bonus credits from the daily login bonus. When the matter didnt die off, he eventually claimed still parx was fair because anyone could do the same.  But he neglected to reveal not everyone religiously logs in consecutive days for maximum bonus credit. When this was consistently explained, cornered again, his last claim became "oh ive never bet with any bonus money". What bs. So he carefully determined which part of his bankroll was bonus money, and which was from original bankroll?

There's much more. It has all been said before. The only way any intelligent person would not conclude turbos claims are false, with evasive and manipulative answers., is if they haven't read all information.

I could waste more time summarizing the math component, but if people don't understand just a few points, they won't understand the others. And besides caleb and i already explained it all before, many times. The problem is it isn't being understood.

[Steve]

Math is possible for example if 24 total numbers was still the most common after 18 uniques I'd beaten thousands upon thousnd of played spins but Ben showed me in fact 26 is the most common and I'm working around it.its a maths fact.

Ive been there and done that. You'll find a dead end. Repeaters and unhit numbers is normal probability. You are still stuck with 1 in 37, for the next AND future spins. So nothing changes.

It's all explained in this thread. But a lot goes in circles because turbo refuses to acknowledge verifiable math and facts. Not opinion.

[falkor2k15]

Another is "you'll never see 37 numbers in 37 spins".

Even though it's unlikely we will ever see this during our lifetime it nevertheless can't help us win otherwise we would all be millionaires by now - it just means we'll break the bank trying to play for the first repeat!

[Anastasius]

Without any doubt I say if 24.is still most common after the uniques I was in constant +. Nobody can answer mathematically why after the uniques 26 or other is most common and not 24. I too am not good at maths....... It doesn't matter cause stats only matter me.this is unrelated to tg.s claims ect.... They don't concern me its just gamblor talks.....

[Steve]

I suggest people focus on ONE point at a time. Test a theory or concept, properly. You actually only need ONE point to see a gaping wide hole. But in fact, there are many gaping wide holes in turbos theories. It's pretty darn conclusive.

It's so easy to say its personal, i have motives etc etc. No. It's a boneheaded shortsighted claim. Its nothing more than what i say. This is sincerely about the truth and helping people avoid classic mistakes. If in doubt, just carefully consider the facts; the message,  not the messenger. I'm not the only one understanding it. Try the entire professional community in the world.

And again anyone could just focus on ONE point at a time. One big hole in the ship, and the whole ship sinks. There are many.

[Nimo]

Tg post a graph with at least hundred k spins. That way u won't reviel ans show them.anything can happen over 200 spin and u could be posting only winning games. Ur arousing many gamblors fury ha

Nothing wrong with 1000, 100 spin graphs either, each showing the same thing. Over and over and over and over.

[maestro]

Nothing wrong with 1000, 100 spin graphs either, each showing the same thing. Over and over and over and over.

nimo nothing wrong with 1000 and 100 i have seen 5000 to 10000 spins betting flat and wins but then goes south...i am sure some seen even more spins proves nothing...

[Steve]

Regarding the boneheaded claims that im just trying to censor the hg so i can sell computers....

1. My focus is using computers, not selling them.

2. I earn more than enough without sales of anything. Really, I'm not desperate for money. People who think money motivates me think this probably because they aren't in my financial position.

3. Focus on the message, not the messenger. Tell me where my logic is incorrect. Can't do it? Then your claims about my motives dont even make sense. Am i telling the truth to sell something? How terrible. But this has nothing to do with sales or my methods vs his. It doesn't even have anything to do with me.

4. My computers get 20-150% edge. My teams do rather well. Even turbo said his system can't compete with that. Even if it was about sales, should i feel threatened?

5. Players who buy computers understand what does and doesn't work. They know not to waste time with hot numbers and repeaters. Very different group of people and mentality to most forum members.

6. Turbo isnt a competitor. Serious players approaching roulette as a business want a ready solution, not to waste years chasing theories and vague clues.

7. Turbo attacks my methods based on his own views of morality. He can have his view. I don't particularly feel bad for the billionaire casino owners,  and we never break laws. Casino owners ruin lives. Besides, most of my methods i sell/teach don't involve electronics at all. Should we pitty bankers too?

8. Is the entire professional world working for me? After all, they say much the same thing as me.

9. I'm not against other methods. See the "outside the box" area and my suggestions. I encourage NEW approaches. Why would i be encouraging these approaches, which i dont sell, if i was so concerned with sales? Why would i create things like the free precog software as a community project?

10. If what turbo had worked, id be using it or at least trying to find the secret, so my profit split teams can use it. They currently use the best method we have. Maybe it will change one day, who knows.

There's more but it's enough. Still think I'm trying to censor the hg? Remember Charles Edward Hampshire? Same thing there. I only bothered exposing his claims because he misled a larger amount of people, so it was a more effective use of my time to help players head in the right direction. Some members attacked me claiming i was trying to censorthe hg. This is no different. Except some members were so convinced i was censoring the hg that they left the forum. Thats because in the end i banned CEH. Im all for few speech, but i had to draw the line because his manipulation was so obvious., even if some members couldn't see it.

And remember, he eventually admitted to me he didn't have the hg, and just liked making people think. So in his view, he was being helpful. If we forget history, we repeat the same mistakes.

Now CEHs followers learned what i was talking about... or are stuck wondering what secret part of the system they're missing.

Anyway, there are always a few shortsighted people. Forget about me and computers. They aren't for everyone. If you aren't already 110% for them,  you probably never will be and I'm not interested in trying to convince anyone about them. Simply the information is already around for anyone, if they want.

So forget about what i do in roulette. Focus on what I'm saying, and verification. Now let's move back to what's relevant.

[Nimo]

nimo nothing wrong with 1000 and 100 i have seen 5000 to 10000 spins betting flat and wins but then goes south...i am sure some seen even more spins proves nothing...

Exactly, testing millions of spins proves nothing.  The odds don't change.  37 pockets , each number should hit 27027.02703 times, but we all know that won't happen as the number itself is a fraction.  We also know the numbers won't be distributed equally, that's random.  Repeaters happen, they happen often and they are still within the 1/37 odds.  Using repeaters in certain ways  as a bet selection, along with proper bankroll management, gives you graphs like the one I posted constantly.   

[Steve]

nimo nothing wrong with 1000 and 100 i have seen 5000 to 10000 spins betting flat and wins but then goes south...i am sure some seen even more spins proves nothing...

Instead of testing the complete system, its easier and more direct to test the working principles that change the 1un 37 hit rate.

If you prefer testing the whole system, then use roulette extreme software. Pay a coder $50 then test a whole year of spins with one click. Don't waste your time with manual testing.

And maestro, this is the smartest thing I've seen you say.

Its important for everyone to get past the false thought that you need only beat short term spins. Will 100 players using a short term system collectively profit?

[falkor2k15]

There's no way Steve is censoring the HG.

I scored above average on an IQ test and I'm part of the top 12% of the population who knows the earth is flat, and I can tell you that there's no HG in sight despite 3 years of thinking and testing on an almost daily basis - yet the truth about the flat earth is hidden in plain sight. So the main skill that is needed here for all of this is not flat earth understanding or being able to spot a conspiracy - it's about understanding how satanic the human race happens to be. The elite aren't some great engineers who need to reduce the population every once in a while - they are typical humans without a conscience who take pleasure in other people's suffering - though that doesn't mean I'll stop searching for the HG.

[maestro]

And maestro, this is the smartest thing I've seen you say.

happens sometimes