@ turbo

[falkor2k15]

Falkor, I have done EXACTLY the same like you. I have even survived thousands of spins in my landbased casino here untill it busted.

But seriously try again. Check the last 8 spins after every single spin and it indicates what the wheel is giving you at that time and also where to bet.

I am sorry, but past spins do not tell you anything about the future. Each spin is independent, and results in a break even game. You are preaching the gospel of Jesus Christ, but it's simply story-tellers playing games who do not have your best interest at heart and enjoy fooling the masses:

[MoneyT101]

Just some of us know how to piece it together.

Check each of his clues. Ive known for some time.

You aren’t one of those who pieced it together and it’s very clear in your questions to him. 

Btw turbo doesn’t play every repeater! 

[junscissorhands]

Can people just stop claiming about how Turbo plays, only Turbo knows how Turbo plays.

Period. FFS.

[falkor2k15]

You aren’t one of those who pieced it together and it’s very clear in your questions to him. 

Btw turbo doesn’t play every repeater!

Makes no difference - see below in red:

This is what happens when you bet hot numbers (front runners) on the premise that only they can reach X repeats because they've repeated already:

You need a casino with $10K house limits, and it sure doesn't win flat-betting! And this is without any house edge, BV-style...

2nd Dozen repeat below: all overtaken by a sleeper..

1 1   3 3 3
1 1   3 3 3
1 1   3 3 3
3 1 1   2 2 2
2 1 1   2 3 3 3
1 1   2 2 2
1 1   3 3 3
1 1   3 3 3
1 1   2 2 3 3 3
1 1   3 3 2 2 2
1 1   3 3 2 3
1 1   3 3 2 2 3
1 1   3 3 3
1 1   3 2 3 3
1 1   2 3 2 3 3
3 1 1   2 2 2
1 1   2 2 2
3 1 1   2 2 2
1 2 1   3 3 3
1 1   3 3 2 3
1 1   2 2 2
1 1   3 3 3
1 1   2 3 3 3
1 1   2 3 2 2
1 1   2 2 2
1 1   3 3 3
1 1   3 2 2 3 3
1 1   3 3 3
3 1 1   2 2 2
1 2 1   3 2 3 3
1 1   2 2 3 2
1 1   2 2 3 3 3
1 1   3 3 2 2 2
1 1   2 2 2
1 1   3 3 3
2 1 1   3 3 3
1 1   3 3 3
1 1   3 2 2 3 3

There's only so many ways you can play 2 repeats of a dozen based on the front runners. I can bet the front runner till I get the 2nd repeat:

11 1
11 21
11 231

Or I can stop early if I don't get the 2nd repeat in X spins:

11 23

Or I can wait out certain spins or change to a different front runner, etc.

I have tried every possible way of playing 2 repeats, but the long term result is always the same: break even![/b] It doesn't even tilt one side to wins/losses. It's just plain old break even. I have attached a spreadsheet so people can test for themselves based on 1 million spins:
Download dozens2repeats.xlsx...

If we cannot tilt 1 repeat of a dozen and we cannot tilt 2 repeats of a dozen then it follows that the numbers game is also break even.

You are either randomly guessing or trying to follow a previous set of random past spins, so the result is the same.

12... I guess dozen 1+3 and I have a 66% chance of winning.
12... I guess a 1+2 repeat and I have a 66% chance of winning.

I never won the repeat. I won the 66% chance bet - one or more independent static bets. The repeat formed by itself as a natural pattern based on the "unique" labels I chose for 1 and 2. Another player at the table who played the 2 spins before I arrived could have labelled them as a repeat instead of uniques:
1212

We cannot predict repeats/uniques. The wheel doesn't make any distinctions - it's us that places the labels depending on our viewpoint.

I just spun number 7 - dozen 1 again:

1

Now the properties of that dozen 1 has everything to do with whatever past number sequence I decide to put in front of it:

2             1... here it's a unique
12           1... here our 1 is a 1st repeat
1231       1... here our 1 is a 2nd repeat

So it all depends what random past spins you take in order to determine whether something has repeated or not. One man's repeat is another man's unique. Again, cannot be used for prediction.

I'll prove that you cannot predict a repeat:

Each dozen is equally-likely:
1
2
3

Now I can take any 2 unique dozens and put them in front of the above, and I will end up with more chance of a repeat:
    1
122
    3

    1
312
    3

So I didn't predict anything - patterns form independent of my prediction

I blindly look back on the marquee and find a number (9) that is dozen 1:

1...

Now I have 33% chance for dozen 1,2 or 3 some 10 spins later...

11...
or
12...
or
13...

However, since 2/3 outcomes don't match the earlier dozen 1, there is a 66% chance the dozen will be different to any past (random) dozen I decide to put in front of the latest dozen:

12...
or
13...

Again, there's 33% chance we can get dozen 1,2 or 3 next spin, but when I put it after 2 previous unique dozens from the past I get a 66% chance of matching one of them - simply by the laws of number sequences (combinatorics) and natural patterns:

121
122
131
133

So the repeat has nothing to do with prediction - it's an illusion that hides the fact we are playing individual static bets - resulting in break even over the long-term.

[Steve]

 

Can people just stop claiming about how Turbo plays, only Turbo knows how Turbo plays.

Period. FFS.

Does what he said about his system count for anything?   you don't know what i know.

[MoneyT101]

Can people just stop claiming about how Turbo plays, only Turbo knows how Turbo plays.

Period. FFS.

The thread is called turbo, so clearly turbo method is th topic...your comment is the definition of insanity 🤦‍â™,️🤷‍â™,️

Stop opening the topic if you have a problem with it

[junscissorhands]

@steve, I seriously don't give a dime about his system or way of playing.

[junscissorhands]

Falkor, ofcourse each spin is independent. But if you are in a casino, you see the dealer has spun the zero spiel sector the last 5 times, the logical way would be to bet the trend right? 

At least once or twice.

[Steve]

We usually get one or so self professed gurus who make bogus claims like they "never lose", and some naive people believe it.

The naive and unknowledgeable members fight to protect their guru, without understanding. The experienced players explain the mistakes, and get attacked by the guru followers, usually accusing the experienced players of ulterior motives/conspiracy.

In the end, the followers either eventually learn better, as some already have, or keep going in circles looking for the secret sauce, chasing tails.

Again it happens at least one a year 

I'll spend less time on it now. I'll just need to be patient and keep in mind some people are just sincerely slow, but all truth comes out eventually. If im proven wrong, I'll gladly admit it because truth comes before pride.

Anyway i can't be bothered anymore. Its not my money and I've wasted enough time. My responses on it will only be brief.

[cht]

We usually get one or so self professed gurus who make bogus claims like they "never lose", and some naive people believe it.

The naive and unknowledgeable members fight to protect their guru, without understanding. The experienced players explain the mistakes, and get attacked by the guru followers, usually accusing the experienced players of ulterior motives/conspiracy.

In the end, the followers either eventually learn better, as some already have, or keep going in circles looking for the secret sauce, chasing tails.

Again it happens at least one a year 

I'll spend less time on it now. I'll just need to be patient and keep in mind some people are just sincerely slow, but all truth comes out eventually. If im proven wrong, I'll gladly admit it because truth comes before pride.

Anyway i can't be bothered anymore. Its not my money and I've wasted enough time. My responses on it will only be brief.

Finally, after 195 pages you made a sensible non-spam post.

Not sure if others are defending TG or not.
I am not. I am a baccarat player, remember.

But yes I have learnt something from him about roulette repeaters.

[falkor2k15]

Falkor, ofcourse each spin is independent. But if you are in a casino, you see the dealer has spun the zero spiel sector the last 5 times, the logical way would be to bet the trend right? 

At least once or twice.

Nope - each spin is independent, so that means there's an equal chance of landing on zero or another number next spin. However, if you take 5 zeroes from past (random) spins and put them in front of the next spin that turns out to be another zero (by luck) then it forms a nice multiple repeat pattern that deceptively makes the zero look more special than other equally-likely numbers - simply a "repeats illusion" at work that disguises the fact our bets are really static and independent of previous past spins - see below in red:

This is what happens when you bet hot numbers (front runners) on the premise that only they can reach X repeats because they've repeated already:

You need a casino with $10K house limits, and it sure doesn't win flat-betting! And this is without any house edge, BV-style...

2nd Dozen repeat below: all overtaken by a sleeper..

1 1   3 3 3
1 1   3 3 3
1 1   3 3 3
3 1 1   2 2 2
2 1 1   2 3 3 3
1 1   2 2 2
1 1   3 3 3
1 1   3 3 3
1 1   2 2 3 3 3
1 1   3 3 2 2 2
1 1   3 3 2 3
1 1   3 3 2 2 3
1 1   3 3 3
1 1   3 2 3 3
1 1   2 3 2 3 3
3 1 1   2 2 2
1 1   2 2 2
3 1 1   2 2 2
1 2 1   3 3 3
1 1   3 3 2 3
1 1   2 2 2
1 1   3 3 3
1 1   2 3 3 3
1 1   2 3 2 2
1 1   2 2 2
1 1   3 3 3
1 1   3 2 2 3 3
1 1   3 3 3
3 1 1   2 2 2
1 2 1   3 2 3 3
1 1   2 2 3 2
1 1   2 2 3 3 3
1 1   3 3 2 2 2
1 1   2 2 2
1 1   3 3 3
2 1 1   3 3 3
1 1   3 3 3
1 1   3 2 2 3 3

There's only so many ways you can play 2 repeats of a dozen based on the front runners. I can bet the front runner till I get the 2nd repeat:

11 1
11 21
11 231

Or I can stop early if I don't get the 2nd repeat in X spins:

11 23

Or I can wait out certain spins or change to a different front runner, etc.

I have tried every possible way of playing 2 repeats, but the long term result is always the same: break even! It doesn't even tilt one side to wins/losses. It's just plain old break even. I have attached a spreadsheet so people can test for themselves based on 1 million spins:
Download dozens2repeats.xlsx...

If we cannot tilt 1 repeat of a dozen and we cannot tilt 2 repeats of a dozen then it follows that the numbers game is also break even.

You are either randomly guessing or trying to follow a previous set of random past spins, so the result is the same.

12... I guess dozen 1+3 and I have a 66% chance of winning.
12... I guess a 1+2 repeat and I have a 66% chance of winning.

I never won the repeat. I won the 66% chance bet - one or more independent static bets. The repeat formed by itself as a natural pattern based on the "unique" labels I chose for 1 and 2. Another player at the table who played the 2 spins before I arrived could have labelled them as a repeat instead of uniques:
1212

We cannot predict repeats/uniques. The wheel doesn't make any distinctions - it's us that places the labels depending on our viewpoint.

I just spun number 7 - dozen 1 again:

1

Now the properties of that dozen 1 has everything to do with whatever past number sequence I decide to put in front of it:

2             1... here it's a unique
12           1... here our 1 is a 1st repeat
1231       1... here our 1 is a 2nd repeat

So it all depends what random past spins you take in order to determine whether something has repeated or not. One man's repeat is another man's unique. Again, cannot be used for prediction.

I'll prove that you cannot predict a repeat:

Each dozen is equally-likely:
1
2
3

Now I can take any 2 unique dozens and put them in front of the above, and I will end up with more chance of a repeat:
    1
122
    3

    1
312
    3

So I didn't predict anything - patterns form independent of my prediction

I blindly look back on the marquee and find a number (9) that is dozen 1:

1...

Now I have 33% chance for dozen 1,2 or 3 some 10 spins later...

11...
or
12...
or
13...

However, since 2/3 outcomes don't match the earlier dozen 1, there is a 66% chance the dozen will be different to any past (random) dozen I decide to put in front of the latest dozen:

12...
or
13...

Again, there's 33% chance we can get dozen 1,2 or 3 next spin, but when I put it after 2 previous unique dozens from the past I get a 66% chance of matching one of them - simply by the laws of number sequences (combinatorics) and natural patterns:

121
122
131
133

So the repeat has nothing to do with prediction - it's an illusion that hides the fact we are playing individual static bets - resulting in break even over the long-term.

[Steve]

I am a baccarat player, remember.

Baccarat is for pussies. I have substantiating information.

[junscissorhands]

So dealer signature, speed and velocity  and spinning direction  are all BS as well Falkor? Now I'm talking about physics in combination with what the board shows.

I don't think you get my point.

Ps: forgot to mention VB.

[cht]

Baccarat is for pussies. I have substantiating information.

You have the right to your opinion, free speech remember.

[Steve]

Ok.. pussy.