@ turbo

[Steve]

Coderjoe, what languages do u code?

[Joe]

Hi Steve, I use Lazarus/Free Pascal mainly for GUI projects and a scripting language called Hansl for data analysis. It's part of a statistics package called Gretl. I also use R occasionally. They are all free and open source. Most of the data crunching I do is for sports betting, roulette is just a hobby really.

[nottophammer]

Don’t you just love old posts; this is from KTF page 93. So as you can see it’s on MPR.
Now if you bet the numbers hitting above average; the R1’s, you’d make a nice profit at spin 30.
I have said better too wait till spin 20, then bet and here would be +72 units at spin 30.
Now just looking at this sheet for the averages
We see the usual 9/10; countback is marked showing the expected 15 non-hit in spins 11-40; you see 16 came +1 and at spin 60; 31 non-hits have hit, average shows 29 or 30
It was happening back in 2016 and it will still happen today and tomorrow and the day after and the day after
You need to see the trot, good luck some of you will need it

[Steve]

Geez i was hoping youd say "im full stack with focus on c, c#. c++ and .NET. and can easily port to iOS.". I have a lot of programmers and good ones who think creatively are rare. Im not very familiar with languages you mentioned. Do you code rx?

[Steve]

Notto it is really old news: you are talking about hot numbers. They hit with the same frequency as cold numbers. Really old news.

All youre looking at is a sequence of spins that matches what you think should happen.

[Tinsoldiers]

It was happening back in 2016 and it will still happen today and tomorrow and the day after and the day after

You only do things on paper or you play in real as well? With all your record keeping skills, may be you can tell us how many games, how many spins you have played in real so far and the exact dollars and cents you have won. That will be a better marketing platform for your system as opposed to recycling old posts and graphs.

[Steve]

45 guests reading this thread. Why don't you pussies sign in? Bok bok

[Joe]

Geez i was hoping youd say "im full stack with focus on c, c#. c++ and .NET. and can easily port to iOS.". I have a lot of programmers and good ones who think creatively are rare. Im not very familiar with languages you mentioned. Do you code rx?

Ah, sorry about that. If I was a freelancer or looking for a permanent coding job I would definitely invest the time and effort to learn those languages, but I'm not a very good employee, lol. I know about RX and had a look at it once - yuk! It's very limited although I suppose if you just want to code roulette systems and have all the data generated it's ok, but you can do all that and a lot more with any conventional language although it might require a bit more effort. So no I can't say I know it.

So I guess I'm pretty useless to you Steve, but thanks for the complement.

I did some coding of systems recently for a guy who reckoned he had the holy grail. They were all really complex systems and he wanted to be able to import files and run simulations as well as having an interactive "tracker" kind of thing for playing online. Frankly it was a pain in the arse and I don't really want to do that kind of thing any more. He was convinced he was doing me a big favour and that I should be grateful. I did charge for the work but not much, and I even agreed to refund him the payments if one of the systems worked (none did).

I recently started a little website with the intention of making some roulette software (trackers and the like) for online players, not sure how much of a market there would be though, it's very niche. Maybe I'll post something in the software section.

By the way, is it possible to change my username from "coderjoe" to just plain "joe"? I don't really want to do any more custom coding for members and the name seems like I'm advertising. I could just re-register but it seems a bit dishonest, and maybe not allowed under the rules of the forum? I know some forums ban multiple accounts.

[falkor2k15]

falkor, I don't see what your last post has to do with my post. Furthermore, some things in your post lead me to believe that you're the one who hasn't understood.

I'm afraid this is wrong. Assuming you have random independent outcomes there are no bets which will make future outcomes even "a bit more" predictable than any other bets. Waiting for extreme events and using triggers like this doesn't have any effect at all on what comes out next.

It just goes to show that no amount of testing can help you to interpret correctly what the tests are showing you in the first place if you don't have the right understanding.

General, do you want to retract your previous comments about falkor? 

You were naively talking about whether to bet hot/cold - indicating that you hadn't really understood repeats hence the reason I tried to explain it to you.

You misunderstand again and are making assumptions over somebody with 3 years more experience than you at testing Roulette. Generally speaking, what you are saying is correct: we cannot use triggers, and every spin is independent. But there comes a time where independence becomes exhausted and outcomes start to drop off the chart as part of the most extreme events (not events that are more extreme than less extreme events - but the MOST EXTREME). And this can be proven through testing.

Let's say 1 million spins represents your lifetime playing Roulette. We can look back in hindsight and see that everything was a break even game. However, no matter which set of 1 million spins you take the maximum cycle length for the first repeat on numbers is always around the CL25 spin mark, and it never fluctuates as extreme as 20 - 30. Now, possibly over trillions of spins you may get closer to 30 - but never in your lifetime.

Therefore if you play those CL20+ games - the repeats framework can track and indicate when you should start betting. And this trigger happens only a few times within your life. All other kinds of triggers - rightly so - have no effect and do not guarantee a win in 5 spins, but the most extreme triggers I refer to are of a more special kind and come with a lifetime guarantee.

Now, the repeats framework that can accurately help us track extreme events can be made more sophisticated and highlight additional extreme events with the possibility of reducing waiting times using special "tricks" akin to winkel's "jump" back in GUT.

In the Quadruplets universe the "numbers CL25" counterpart is CL9, which is 23/157730 = 0.02% (with an empty CL10 pigeonhole!)


Therefore, you can play from about CL5 (maybe CL4) and guarantee profit:


That's 11.6%!! A massive increase over what is achievable using a basic repeats framework. Now, if we use the "tricks" that I mentioned then we can increase beyond that 11.6% to improve our life.

By using a more sophisticated framework such as Quadruplets we introduce additional extreme events that are not apparent in a basic framework:


Above when a cycle begins with a group 4 pigeon (Options 7-10) we are guaranteed either a repeat on the same pigeon or one of the group 1-3 uniques (within the house limits). Now, the stats of a cycle being defined by group 4 is hardly worth waiting for even during a typical lifetime. However, we can no doubt employ more tricks to increase it. By rights we should just be able to start a new cycle whenever we encounter a single appearance of group 4 and start to bring in the profit. That would easily take us up to 10%. Cycles beginning with group 3 may be exploitable too - I haven't checked yet. But you can start to see the possibilities here and begin to understand a different perspective/direction we may take to go beyond a fool's game of hot/cold. Here we are not betting just hot, just cold or even both together; we are making use of the framework to guide us towards the most extreme events based on a lifetime personal permanence.

[Steve]

Joe, i can easily change your display name but you login username doesnt change. But i need my admin password for that, which i dont have with me. So will do tomorrow.

[Tinsoldiers]

As my message was deleted in the voting, am posting it here. You were prompt to delete it Steve as you rightly said in teh post and lets get this answered here.

We should ideally have a button "Cant say. No substantial information". Without this the voting is not fair. It is very similar to get the opinions consolidated towards "No". It is like asking someone "Do you still beat your wife" and giving voting options "Yes" or "No". There should have been an option which says "I never did".

Also, am not sure of the intention of the voting. What happens if the majority votes no. Will you stop responding to turbo's claims assuming everyone knows it is wrong. Similary if majority votes yes, will you try to explain fruther to prove him wrong? What is the outcome and intention for this voting. Perfectly meaningless to me. The loop continues in the loop.

[Turner]

Falkor reminds me of Bayes, but intentionally trying to be funny and obtuse about the flat earth.  He's actually very articulate.  Secretly probably one of the more intelligent members on this forum. 

General, do you want to retract your previous comments about falkor? 

LOL....this will come back to haunt you. I wont forget it.

I have the quote in notepad lol

[Joe]

You were naively talking about whether to bet hot/cold - indicating that you hadn't really understood repeats hence the reason I tried to explain it to you.

You misunderstand again and are making assumptions over somebody with 3 years more experience than you at testing Roulette.

falkor if you actually read my post you would see that I was making the point that no arguments for betting either hot or cold stand up if you concede that outcomes are random and independent. And you're assuming that I'm a newbie as regards roulette; I'm not. I've been playing recreationally for about 15 years and am way up in terms of winning. I don't claim any superior system though and acknowledge that it's probably down to luck. When I first started playing I didn't have much knowledge of statistics and rather naively thought I could find a winning system. Nowadays I'm more realistic but I still enjoy playing and tinkering with systems, and it's not as though I have to make a living at it.

I can see you've put a lot of work into testing systems, maybe more than I have.

Generally speaking, what you are saying is correct: we cannot use triggers, and every spin is independent. But there comes a time where independence becomes exhausted and outcomes start to drop off the chart as part of the most extreme events (not events that are more extreme than less extreme events - but the MOST EXTREME). And this can be proven thr Generally speaking, what you are saying is correct: we cannot use triggers, and every spin is independent. But there comes a time where independence becomes exhausted and outcomes start to drop off the chart as part of the most extreme events (not events that are more extreme than less extreme events - but the MOST EXTREME). And this can be proven through testing.ough testing.

I'm willing to look at data which supports such a view, and I like to think I have an open mind, but I don't see anything in what you've posted which confirms such a "loophole". The problem with looking for extreme events is that if you look hard enough then you'll find them. No matter how rare it is there is always another even rarer event just over the horizon. The bell curve is asymptotic which means that there really are no limits. This doesn't mean that you'll routinely see 37 uniques in 37 spins, it just means that there is no point at which the probability changes given what's already happened. From that perspective random doesn't have limits.

[Joe]

Joe, i can easily change your display name but you login username doesnt change. But i need my admin password for that, which i dont have with me. So will do tomorrow.

Thanks a lot Steve.

[Steve]

We should ideally have a button "Cant say. No substantial information". Without this the voting is not fair.

There's enough information in the summary for anyone to make a reasonable yes or no vote. Those are the points that keep going in circles, so that's what a vote should be based on.

If someone is unsure about yes or no, then they can just not vote.

It is like asking someone "Do you still beat your wife"

Only when she shits me. Like cooks dinner late. Unacceptable.

There should have been an option which says "I never did".

I think people would be smart enough to not vote if their answer wasn't as option.

Also, am not sure of the intention of the voting

I wanted to get an idea of how many people actually think turbo never loses, but dedicates so much time to convincing people he has the hg, by winning play money on clearly unrealistic games, and that he prefers rs where his sessions are video recorded, which is more private than mpr which has minimal logs, and mpr is less realistic than parx which gives massive free bonuses for showing up, just like every casino 

What happens if the majority votes no.

Nothing except my faith in mankind will be reduced.

Similary if majority votes yes, will you try to explain fruther to prove him wrong?

Not anymore than currently. Its not my problem if some people like losing money.

What is the outcome and intention for this voting. Perfectly meaningless to me.

Think broader.