@ turbo

[maestro]

The entire professional community shares my views.

so did the church....

[Andre Chass]

People,

If  you had the Holy Grail, would you waste so much time ar this forum?

You would be in the casinos making hundreds of thousands and using the money to have a good life and help the people in need.

Think about it... Would you waste hours in this forum every day saying you have an invincible system? Arguing with Steve?

Something is very wrong...

It does not matter if you like or dislike me. I'm just asking you guys to think about it.

[falkor2k15]

so did the church....

1957: Treaty of Rome drafted up in same room later used for the signing of the European Union Constitution with statue of Pope Innocent X. Opposite end of the room has a statue of Pope Urban VIII.
link:://:.europarl.europa.eu/aboutparliament/img/treaty_reforms/TreatyReform_Rome.jpg

1971: Official Tarot cards printed in Switzerland: home of the Pope's Bodyguards (Swiss Guard) and Bank. The Pope is on several of the cards:
link:://commodities4all.com/tcm/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Major-Arcana-05.jpg
link:://4.bp.blogspot.com/-viw_qmEbwCI/TzNH89zFupI/AAAAAAAACXA/sTABvH4PWPs/s400/cards,death,skeleton,tarot-d104b7e3c5d54b7cb069472ea48d224c_h.jpg

1978: Pope John Paul I killed in 1978 by the Jesuits headed by the Black Pope after only 33 days in office.

2003: Vatican approves of Harry Potter's Witchcraft
link:://:.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-1476924.html

2004: Pope calls for New World Order (originally on CNN Jan 1st)
link:://:.theguardian.com/world/2004/jan/02/catholicism.religion

2004: Bush Asked for Vatican's Help on Political issues (whose in control of who?)
link:://:.nytimes.com/2004/06/13/politics/13george.html

2004: Tony Blair and others sign the European Union Constitution under statue of Pope (29th October).
link:://:.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2004-10/29/xin_23100130013904905149.jpg

European Union poster showing "Blockheads", including 2 guys hugging each other (symbol of homosexuality), except for the baby who has a round head because he's not been indoctrinated yet.
link:://:.annomundi.com/history/eurobabel_2.gif

2007: Saddam lieutenant pleads to Pope for mercy. "Aziz is a Chaldean Catholic, from a Babylonian branch of the Church which maintains full ties with Rome."
link:://:.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1540128/Saddam-lieutenant-pleads-to-Pope-for-mercy.html

[Andre Chass]

This forum has lost its purpose. I believe in freedom of speech, but something is very wrong here. I think the rules of this forum should be redone.

[Scarface]

People,

If  you had the Holy Grail, would you waste so much time ar this forum?

You would be in the casinos making hundreds of thousands and using the money to have a good life and help the people in need.

Think about it... Would you waste hours in this forum every day saying you have an invincible system? Arguing with Steve?

Something is very wrong...

It does not matter if you like or dislike me. I'm just asking you guys to think about it.

Making hundreds of thousands, or millions, is not easy and very time consuming.  Most people have lives, jobs, and family and are not full time roulette players.

Even AP players cannot guarantee wins in 37 spins.  37 spins is probably about how many spins you get per hour in a busy casino.  I'm sure Steve and The General will admit that even with an edge, it can take hundreds of spins before profit is made.

Same goes for system players.  A good system player knows probabilty... knows what to expect from random.  And most importantly, uses good money management! 

A holy grail does not mean you have to win every 37 spins.  You do not have to win every session.  System players as well as AP players can cut the game short at anytime, just because they've put in alot of hours and are tired of playing that day.  As long as you win more than you lose, that's all that matters! 

[cht]

Making hundreds of thousands, or millions, is not easy and very time consuming.  Most people have lives, jobs, and family and are not full time roulette players.

Even AP players cannot guarantee wins in 37 spins.  37 spins is probably about how many spins you get per hour in a busy casino.  I'm sure Steve and The General will admit that even with an edge, it can take hundreds of spins before profit is made.

Same goes for system players.  A good system player knows probabilty... knows what to expect from random.  And most importantly, uses good money management! 

A holy grail does not mean you have to win every 37 spins.  You do not have to win every session.  System players as well as AP players can cut the game short at anytime, just because they've put in alot of hours and are tired of playing that day.  As long as you win more than you lose, that's all that matters!

You are correct.

Everytime someone talk about making millions from gambling, I laugh.

Steve, caleb making millions ?
It's hilarious.

[Andre Chass]

Making hundreds of thousands, or millions, is not easy and very time consuming.  Most people have lives, jobs, and family and are not full time roulette players.

Even AP players cannot guarantee wins in 37 spins.  37 spins is probably about how many spins you get per hour in a busy casino.  I'm sure Steve and The General will admit that even with an edge, it can take hundreds of spins before profit is made.

Same goes for system players.  A good system player knows probabilty... knows what to expect from random.  And most importantly, uses good money management! 

A holy grail does not mean you have to win every 37 spins.  You do not have to win every session.  System players as well as AP players can cut the game short at anytime, just because they've put in alot of hours and are tired of playing that day.  As long as you win more than you lose, that's all that matters!

Oh really?

I thought we could win every spin/session and buy some islands in the Bahamas.


I think I'm wasting my time here.

The guru's followers will protect him at any cost.

[Scarface]

Andre, its definitely not a get rich quick scheme.  I'm sure even AP players like Steve and General will tell you that it is alot of hard work, and can take many hundreds hours of play to make substantial money.

Might can't buy those islands in Bahamas...but cruises are cheap 

[Turner]

1957: Treaty of Rome drafted up in same room later used for the signing of the European Union Constitution with statue of Pope Innocent X. Opposite end of the room has a statue of Pope Urban VIII.
link:://:.europarl.europa.eu/aboutparliament/img/treaty_reforms/TreatyReform_Rome.jpg

1971: Official Tarot cards printed in Switzerland: home of the Pope's Bodyguards (Swiss Guard) and Bank. The Pope is on several of the cards:
link:://commodities4all.com/tcm/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Major-Arcana-05.jpg
link:://4.bp.blogspot.com/-viw_qmEbwCI/TzNH89zFupI/AAAAAAAACXA/sTABvH4PWPs/s400/cards,death,skeleton,tarot-d104b7e3c5d54b7cb069472ea48d224c_h.jpg

1978: Pope John Paul I killed in 1978 by the Jesuits headed by the Black Pope after only 33 days in office.

2003: Vatican approves of Harry Potter's Witchcraft
link:://:.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-1476924.html

2004: Pope calls for New World Order (originally on CNN Jan 1st)
link:://:.theguardian.com/world/2004/jan/02/catholicism.religion

2004: Bush Asked for Vatican's Help on Political issues (whose in control of who?)
link:://:.nytimes.com/2004/06/13/politics/13george.html

2004: Tony Blair and others sign the European Union Constitution under statue of Pope (29th October).
link:://:.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2004-10/29/xin_23100130013904905149.jpg

European Union poster showing "Blockheads", including 2 guys hugging each other (symbol of homosexuality), except for the baby who has a round head because he's not been indoctrinated yet.
link:://:.annomundi.com/history/eurobabel_2.gif

2007: Saddam lieutenant pleads to Pope for mercy. "Aziz is a Chaldean Catholic, from a Babylonian branch of the Church which maintains full ties with Rome."
link:://:.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1540128/Saddam-lieutenant-pleads-to-Pope-for-mercy.html

Secretly probably one of the more intelligent members on this forum. 

[Andre Chass]

Andre, its definitely not a get rich quick scheme.  I'm sure even AP players like Steve and General will tell you that it is alot of hard work, and can take many hundreds hours of play to make substantial money.

Might can't buy those islands in Bahamas...but cruises are cheap 

Really? You're kidding me...

I thought if someone had the HG could buy for example some country, own Microsoft ... You have now ended my dreams, my illusions. But I thank you for opening my eyes.

[Bebediktus3]

I'm sure even AP players like Steve and General will tell you that it is alot of hard work, and can take many hundreds hours of play to make substantial money.

Work is not playing. The play is like harvest usually. Main job is before that - find good wheel,  create schema of play,  etc....

[falkor2k15]

FYI, Turner:

1113: First of the Pope's special forces formed: The Knights Hospitallers. They control the hospital system, ie. American Red Cross. Pope Pascal II acknowledged them as a religious order.

1118: Second of the Pope's special forces formed: The Knights Templars (also has another meaning: 2.  A man belonging to a Masonic order in the United States.)
link:://:.thefreedictionary.com/Knights+Templar

1312: Knights Templars suppressed and their property and wealth passed to the Knights Hospitallers.

1450: Printing Press - hard to control Bible from being printed

1526: Thomas More made a Saint after executing William Tyndale and other Lutherans for translating the Bible into English
link:://extra.shu.ac.uk/emls/moretyndale.pdf

1530: Knights Hospitallers AKA Knights of Rhodes changed their name to the Knights of Malta.

1540: Jesuits/Society of Jesus formed as the Army of the Pope to counter the Reformation/Apostates.

1551: Jesuits created theatre, i.e. Shakespeare to discourage people from studying the bible

1605: Catholic conspiracy, headed by Guy Fawkes, to blow up the houses of parliament and assassinate King James I in order to restore a Catholic monarch to the throne.

1676: Spanish expelled Jesuits from the New World after they used the Indians and Mexicans as slaves for mining gold--sealed with the impression of the cross. 133 missions, 24 colleges, 11 seminaries and a large number of Indian schools were closed. Education out there had been introduced during the 1500s before Brighams and the Mormans to try to control the way people think. Catholics have always been in control of the school system throughout America and Europe. That's why America is called Latin America.
link:://:.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/303071/Jesuit-drama

1789: Georgetown University founded--oldest Jesuit/Catholic university in the US.

1823: Early in the 19th century [1800s] the Pope came to the Rothschilds to borrow money. The Rothschilds were very friendly with the Pope, causing one journalist to sarcasticly say "Rothschild has kissed the hand of the Pope...Order has at last been re-established. "The Rothschilds in fact over time were entrusted with the bulk of the Vatican's wealth. The Jewish Ency., Vol. 2, p.497 states, "It is a somewhat curious sequel to the attempt to set up a Catholic competitor to the Rothschilds that at the present time (1905) the latter are the guardians of the papal treasure." Researcher Eustice Mullins writes that the Rothschilds took over all the financial operations of the worldwide Catholic Church in 1823.
link:://:.truedemocracy.net/hj31/14.html

1823: In order to become a Mexican Citizen in Texas you had to convert to Roman Catholicism.

1865: Abraham Lincoln assassinated by Jesuits. 18 months later the killer John Surratt (Pope's bodyguard) was caught and wearing a papal uniform at the time.
link:://eindtijdinbeeld.nl/EiB-Bibliotheek/Boeken/romes_responsibility_for_the_assassination_of_Abraham_Lincon.pdf

1904-1909: Genocide of the Herero people in Namibia (Southwest Africa) by German colonists and concentration camps
link:://:.youtube.com/watch?v=O4OZ7Xc5pWQ
link:://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herero_and_Namaqua_Genocide

1912: Titanic funded by the Catholics to murder those against the Federal Reserve system. A Jesuit priest was initially on-board whilst a fire was raging below deck to photograph all victims and then got off before the main part of the voyage.
link:://:.pacinst.com/terrorists/chapter5/titanic.html

[falkor2k15]

Aight... Guys, this is how you kill off a Cycle Length 9 - 0.02% chance of encountering during our lifetime - we expect up to CL8 max.


All other games (CL5-CL8) are automatic winners and profiteers.

I will compare 1 million spins playing Quadruplets (CL5-CL8) with playing numbers (CL20-CL25). That's the first extreme loophole we can exploit - and I am guessing it will result in more profit on Quads than Numbers.

Following that the next test will bring in the "jump back" trick I spoke of, which should then increase the profit tenfold!

But there's more: A repeats framework as sophisticated as Quadruplets opens up a 2nd extreme event that we don't usually have access to with a standard repeats framework.





The cycle began with a group 2 (a group 3 starting partition would be even more ideal). Nevertheless, by betting to match Group 2 repeat/unique or Group 1 unique the cycle would have already won on the extreme 2 event before we even started betting for the extreme 1 event. Anyhow, we are getting ahead of ourselves here... so I'll bring that feature in at the end... Manz not ready; you get me, like? Manz don't know, innit... all in good time. 

I think there's only one way unique & repeat indicators might possibly help us:

If you play only 4 games in your lifetime and you wanted to win all of them. You could sit around waiting for 20 virtual losses on betting numbers (1s to becomes 2s) and then start betting with a progression. You would then be pretty much guaranteed to get a win within the next 5 spins, but it would involve waiting your whole life for it to happen.

But if you refer to my quadruplets topic you will see that you can arrive at a similar extreme situation by only having to wait for 8 cycles:
1 3 6 2 7 8 9 4 5.... now bet all and guaranteed a win.

You aren't winning through prediction but by waiting for an extreme situation that is a bit more predictable than X amounts of reds in a row to be followed by an (independent) black.

And you don't win on events that are more extreme than other less extreme events - you win (over a series of spins) because you have encountered the most extreme event.

It's still an incredible amount of waiting time - though not as much as 20 numbers bets. The cycles are helping you keep track of all different combined bets - real or virtual - of different ratios/payout odds.

If I get a win on order 1 I can carry over the last 8 uniques to the next game and be in the same situation still:
1 3 6 2 7 8 9 4 5.... 1

3 6 2 7 8 9 4 5 1...
I can't do that after 22 reds in a row followed by a black.

So that helps to maintain an extreme situation and reduce waiting time between games.

And since the pigeons are not equal with quadruplets, if we begin a new cycle defined by options 4-10:
6...

We are then already at another extreme situation where we could bet options 1-5 (covering 6) and guarantee a win on a unique (mostly) instead of a repeat and within the house limits.

So that's the next direction I'll be taking my testing and simulations.

Incidentally, Dyksexlic said we should have less pigeonholes than pigeons, such as SAME or DIFFERENT for a repeat, but I already tested and this doesn't help.

Generally speaking, what you are saying is correct: we cannot use triggers, and every spin is independent. But there comes a time where independence becomes exhausted and outcomes start to drop off the chart as part of the most extreme events (not events that are more extreme than less extreme events - but the MOST EXTREME). And this can be proven through testing.

Let's say 1 million spins represents your lifetime playing Roulette. We can look back in hindsight and see that everything was a break even game. However, no matter which set of 1 million spins you take the maximum cycle length for the first repeat on numbers is always around the CL25 spin mark, and it never fluctuates as extreme as 20 - 30. Now, possibly over trillions of spins you may get closer to 30 - but never in your lifetime.

Therefore if you play those CL20+ games - the repeats framework can track and indicate when you should start betting. And this trigger happens only a few times within your life. All other kinds of triggers - rightly so - have no effect and do not guarantee a win in 5 spins, but the most extreme triggers I refer to are of a more special kind and come with a lifetime guarantee.

Now, the repeats framework that can accurately help us track extreme events can be made more sophisticated and highlight additional extreme events with the possibility of reducing waiting times using special "tricks" akin to winkel's "jump" back in GUT.

In the Quadruplets universe the "numbers CL25" counterpart is CL9, which is 23/157730 = 0.02% (with an empty CL10 pigeonhole!)


Therefore, you can play from about CL5 (maybe CL4) and guarantee profit:


That's 11.6%!! A massive increase over what is achievable using a basic repeats framework. Now, if we use the "tricks" that I mentioned then we can increase beyond that 11.6% to improve our life.

By using a more sophisticated framework such as Quadruplets we introduce additional extreme events that are not apparent in a basic framework:


Above when a cycle begins with a group 4 pigeon (Options 7-10) we are guaranteed either a repeat on the same pigeon or one of the group 1-3 uniques (within the house limits). Now, the stats of a cycle being defined by group 4 is hardly worth waiting for even during a typical lifetime. However, we can no doubt employ more tricks to increase it. By rights we should just be able to start a new cycle whenever we encounter a single appearance of group 4 and start to bring in the profit. That would easily take us up to 10%. Cycles beginning with group 3 may be exploitable too - I haven't checked yet. But you can start to see the possibilities here and begin to understand a different perspective/direction we may take to go beyond a fool's game of hot/cold. Here we are not betting just hot, just cold or even both together; we are making use of the framework to guide us towards the most extreme events based on a lifetime personal permanence.

There's nothing theoretical or speculative here. You take any 1 million spins and look back at them - always a win in, say, 5 spins. There's your empirical evidence and starting point for the journey I am taking that I hope will lead to a new understanding of Roulette. Maybe have a read back about what I said: the rare events are limited by the non-random framework you choose. You cannot go looking for events if you don't have the appropriate framework for tracking them etc. So this is a whole new way of playing - like tapping into free energy:
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=20490.0

[Scarface]

[Andre Chass]

It seems that many people here in the forum have already realized that something is wrong with his claim about HG. The voting thread  "Does Turbo have the HG and NEVER LOSES?" is showing that.