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[nottophammer]

No Saint; i learnt about the curvature of the world at college. Example the supports of the Humber bridge are wider at the top to the bottom measurement; but both supports are truely upright

[Steve]

College? Arts degree?

Just go make real money. Make an ass out of everyone who understands primary school math. Stop wasting time with games.

[nottophammer]

Just go make real money.

I do and its on RNG; that's the bit you don't like.
I don't need an old dirty mac to do covert operations with a phone.
Carry on with your denigratory comments; show what you really are.

[Steve]

Notto, i have tried logical and structured discussions with you. You end up avoiding basic questions, then make it personal. It became clear you prefer ignorance.

If you tested properly, you would have long given up on nonsensical approaches casinos laugh at.

Pointing out you really have no idea is not deliberately negative. It just is what it is.

Sure you can make money with random bets and progression, for a while. Including the martingale. You'll know better eventually.

But i dont believe youre winning. I believe your real results are like your multiple mpr accounts, which is why you waste time on 60 spin rs charts.

[ignatus]

Notto, i have tried logical and structured discussions with you. You end up avoiding basic questions, then make it personal. It became clear you prefer ignorance.

If you tested properly, you would have long given up on nonsensical approaches casinos laugh at.

Pointing out you really have no idea is not deliberately negative. It just is what it is.

Sure you can make money with random bets and progression, for a while. Including the martingale. You'll know better eventually.

But i dont believe youre winning. I believe your real results are like your multiple mpr accounts, which is why you waste time on 60 spin rs charts.

All respect to notto, now,...he's an oldtimer, using/playin what HE believes? That is Repeaters? And I just ran this chart now (betting the last 7 numbers)....With progression....so? What's the point of these arguments?..

[Steve]

Since when does belief trump reality?

Have you ever tested short term and it looked good?

You know if you test 100 random strategies, sometimes theyll win. The hg, or variance?

Seriously. None of this is new. And its not personal.

[ignatus]

Since when does belief trump reality?

Have you ever tested short term and it looked good?

You know if you test 100 random strategies, sometimes theyll win. The hg, or variance?

Seriously. None of this is new. And its jot personal.

How can you argument against that chart? And why disrespect notto? I don't get the point? :/

[Steve]

How can you argument against that chart?

Ive seen much better, with far more spins, and random bets. You arent understanding the chart is meaningless. Test over more spins. Every progression system does well, until it busts.

How many times now have you tested a littke and it looks good... then you tested more and went back to square one?

And why disrespect notto? I don't get the point? :/

It is not disrespect to call someone wrong, asnd explain why theyre wrong. Respect or disrespect is not at all a consideration here.

Perhaps use your last 7 spins system and see if it's any different. Im guessing it won't be any different. Am i being offensive for saying that?

[ignatus]

Perhaps use your last 7 spins system and see if it's any different. Im guessing it won't be any different. Am i being offensive for saying that?

Well? Maybe yes? Because i ran two tests and they lasted 30 000 spins? Would that be "random luck" hmm...?

[Steve]

Yes, probably random luck. That was exactly my point.

Try random bet selection and progression. You'll win for some time, then crash. You also arent understanding the basics.

Even test a random system. Sometimes you beat 10k soins, sometimes not. Sometimes you'll even beat 2 x 30k spins. It can even happen in real casinos. You need to understand the basics.

Does a chart in the green mean the system works?

[ignatus]

Yes, probably random luck. That was exactly my point.

Try random bet selection and progression. You'll win for some time, then crash. You also arent understanding the basics.

Even test a random system. Sometimes you beat 10k soins, sometimes not. Sometimes you'll even beat 2 x 30k spins. It can even happen in real casinos. You need to understand the basics.

Does a chart in the green mean the system works?

Ok thanks anyway...

[Let Me Win]

Be logical....

How can previous spins affect future spins?

It's absurd and rediculious.

Once you accept that's a fact (and it really really is) then by default you have to get to the next position which is that all triggers are worthless as is virtual play for the same reason.

The average life of a man is let's say 70 years so you've already wasted ten years of your own and everyone else's life who has ever been unfortunate enough to have read any of your systems.

Please let's not waste another ten. Thanks.

[Bigbroben]

How can previous spins affect future spins?

But if you're looking for a biased wheel, you do take past spins into account, don't you?  It does not ''affect'' future spins, but you can suspect a reason for the wheel to behave in a certain manner.  It helps ''expect'' future spins.

[ignatus]

Be logical....

How can previous spins affect future spins?

Please let's not waste another ten. Thanks.

Well, first off, you were once also a "beginner" and doin all sorts of "experiments", we all do? Let's not forget the fun part of this game? Maybe it's no "fun" for you to explore new ideas and strategies, and test them, and post your results...no, perhaps not all do that...But what i want to say? It's all a learning-experience...and it's also the "entertainment" and "enjoyment" of the roulette-game, that simulates me. I don't know about what "simulates you"? A HG? All winning, no loss? When you get to that point, what's the "fun" in the game? For me, it's the challange, that is the fun part....cheers

[Firefox]

I have done a fair amount of testing of both flat bet and progression systems. The vast majority have gone into the red past about the 10 to 20k spin mark, either due to the progression getting too high or mounting losses to zero reflecting the large amounts bet

Here I never see the progressions crashing out. This is at odds with both my results and expected behaviour.

I can only conclude that one or more of the following is taking place.

1. There is an error in the simulations

2. The RNG used is not good enough to produce truly random numbers. For example long periods of dominance by one position which is sure to wreck any progression .

3. The number of trials is not enough to demonstrate the true nature of the system.

4. Typical casino table limits designed to nullify progressions are not being observed

5. The originators are being economical with truth and only posting winning trials.