column betting idea

[mogul397]

I just tracked some numbers using WASHOO again. Same result.
Instant triple losses, and from what I vaguely remember, there was a certain
selection group that seemed worse than the rest.

Seemed like a mental exercise for the same result.

[RouletteGhost]

Why don't you test a zumma oage and post it

W L ratio


Let's see if we can tweak it

If you need something to do

[mogul397]

Just got back.  Fresh airball data.

11
13   W
23   L
27   L
0     L
14   W
34   L
32   W
18   W
00   L 
00   L
24   W
13   W
16   W
21   W
21   W
34   W
11   L
35   W
35   L
12   W
15   L
19   W
9     L
27   W
17   L
15   W
23   W
34   L
19   W
00   L

16 W 13 L including zeros.  Good ratio. Doesn't change my mind.
Just being factual.

[RouletteGhost]

1 3 9 27

[RouletteGhost]

I want to know the max losses in a row it has

Maybe wait for some virtual losses

[mogul397]

Pardon me. I was in a hurry to leave.  "EC" part of my brain took over.
No, it's not so good. In fact, as often usual, betting the dozens is almost better.

Nathan didn't suggest or advocate using ANY progression. So if you
are toying with that, then it's out of character for how it was advertised.

My feeling about what he thinks goes back to that guy I talked about who
played columbs. Waited for 5 first columbs in a row and played the other
two. From there it was "feel". He bought in for $10-$15K and saw where
it went. If it was fighting to take his bank, he quit. Or played till he felt he won.
$500 per columb.  Claimed to have a "war chest" of $200K.

I think that's how Nathan rolls.

That's not to say that I'm not open to ideas. I just don't see how it creates any
advantage.

[mogul397]

I don't know if it's my imagination, but when I look over dozens vs columbs,
I seem to notice a lot more ability for DD to occur than double columbs. More
choppy.

Could just be dreaming.

[RouletteGhost]

In my opinion washoo 2 is "one money management tweak" away from being a solid money making strategy

Longest L I've seen is 4

[mogul397]

Like I said, that's now how it was sold.  Ever.

That is "progression mentality". Nothing wrong with it, I'm just saying.

And the vast majority of test I've made (from memory) weren't
very good. In terms of flat betting.  Of course, now I'm going to grab
some more numbers and check.

But here's the question. What is the angle or the gimmick? What is it about
any of those sets of numbers that make the next bet selection better?
Did he just pull them out of his ass?

There had to be SOME basis.

[mogul397]

How about a single increment on losses?   +/- 1 or something.
+ 1 on a loss till recoup?

Or even better, the obvious problem or disadvantage is the fact of
when losses come in a bunch.  Happens all the time or sooner or later.
How about not trying to recoup losses instantly, but get them back off
of wins.

Isn't it kind of stupid to get a loss and expect a win? When losses are happening?
More likely (if I can use that word) that wins will follow each other.

[mogul397]

In my opinion washoo 2 is "one money management tweak" away from being a solid money making strategy

Longest L I've seen is 4

Just grabbed a paper with data and got 5 losses.
Pretty quick

[RouletteGhost]

Which zumma page

[mogul397]

Again. Real data.  This is the 2nd time you have asked this.
I ALWAYS begin with the zumma page when I use it.  ALWAYS But
I also have sheets here from other trips. So when I make that reference, it
is from one of my sheets.

I know you think I'm in love with zumma. But it's just another page of data.
Oftentimes it's just a convenient thing to glance through, because it's formatted
well. Seems to stand out, when you see me type the word often (and you would
see that exactly because of my claim above. That I ALWAYS indicate my source.
So over time you might have seen it and think that I call it "Saint Zumma",
but, unlike you, I also actually go.

As it happens my wife is going away this week for a couple nights, so that will leave
some free time, and I probably will go. But I am getting more and more confused
about which method and what I should do.

Need to spend more time thinking about the +1 unit on the DD as a progression.
Haven't quite seen the horizon on that one. Need to do some thinking or some work.

[RouletteGhost]

You pick up a sheet and immediately have a loss on almost everything

So was just curious if maybe you can upload a photo of that data

Ya know, so we can see

[mogul397]

Here it is.  I would scan or copy it, but I hate it when people think
I can read their chicken scratch.

There is a part of me that notices that win and loss runs tend to
run. And neither one is infrequent. So maybe watching for the losses and
capitalizing on the win streaks have some merit.


10
19 L
17 W
33 W
13 W
36 L     5 losses, and yes it was right out of the box.
29 L
22 L
8   L
23 L
8  W
18 L
27 W
25 W
6   W
35 W
23 W
32 L
34 W
7   L
8  W
31 W
31 W
33 W
21 W
2   L
10 W
19 L
30 W
15 L
22 W
27 W
19 L
33 W
21 W
21 W
31 W
17 W
29 W