Fishing For Doubles

[atlantis]

FISHING FOR DOUBLES
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Record DOZEN results in a 4-wide GRID.

Bet AGAINST vertical trebles forming (double dozen bet)

I'm not using the standard 2doz progression  - instead on each loss I increase the next bet by 1u - but immediately reduce to 1u when level or ahead.

However, if I lose 3 consecutive bets - I will stop and wait for a trip not to form first before resuming betting against them forming (that didn't happen in this test)

NOTE: qualifying trigger vertical doubles cannot use results from already formed triples, quads etc... in the same column.

Good news is that it's not too long before a bet is indicated as shown below - so you can usually manage to get through a few sessions in a day.


Example - 100 spins (random)

1   2   1   1
1   1   1   3
3   3   3   3 --w+1@col1 ; w+1@col3
2   1   1   2 --w+1@col4
2   1   3   3
3   1   1   2 --w+1@col1 ; L-2@col2
2   1   3   1
3   1   1   3
2   2   3   3
2   2   1   2 --w+2@col4
1   2   3   1 --w+1@col1 ; L-2@col2
3   1   3   2
3   2   3   1 --L-4@col3 (increase to 3-3)
2   2   1   2 --w+3@col1
3   3   1   1 --w+3@col2 (reduce to 1-1)
3   3   1   2 --L-2@col3
1   2   1   3 --w+2@col1 ; w+1@col2
1   2   1   2
2   3   2   2 --w+1@col1 ; w+1@col2 ; w+1@col3
1   1   2   3 --w+1@col4
3   1   1   3 --w+1@col3
1   2   1   1 --w+1@col2 ; w+1@col4
1   3   3   3 --w+1@col3
2   1   2   1 --w+1@col1
3   2   3   2

won=25
lost=10
Profit=15pts


3   2   3   3
3   2   3   2
3   1   3   1--L-2@col1 ; w+2@col2; L-2@col3
1   3   3   3
1   1   1   2
1   1   3   3--L-4@col1 (increase to 3-3)
1   3   1   2--w+3@col2
3   3   3   1
2   2   1   1--w+3@col2 (reduce to 1-1)
3   1   3   1--L-2@col4 (increase to 2-2)
1   1   2   3
2   3   2   3--w+2@col2 (reduce to 1-1)
2   1   3   1--w+1@col3 ; w+1@col4
1   2   2   3--w+1@col1
2   2   1   3
1   2   3   1--L-2@col2 ; w+2@col4
1   3   3   2
2   2   1   2--w+1@col1 ; w+1@col3
1   1   1   1--w+1@col4
2   1   3   3--w+1@col3
1   2   1   1--w+1@col2
2   2   2   1
1   1   3   1--w+1@col2 ; L-2@col4
3   2   3   1
1   3   2   2--w+2@col3

won=23
lost=12
Profit=11pts

One more example...

1   3   3   3
3   2   3   2
3   3   3   1--L-2@col3
2   1   3   2--w+2@col1
2   3   2   2
2   1   2   3--L-2@col1 ; W+2@col4
3   3   3   1--w+1@col3
3   3   2   2
2   1   3   1--w+1@col1 ; w+1@col2
1   3   2   1
1   3   2   2--w+1@col4
2   3   1   3--w+1@col1 ; L-2@col2 ; w+2@col3
2   2   3   2
1   2   3   2--w+1@col1
3   1   1   2--w+1@col1 ; L-2@col4 (increase to 2-2)
3   3   3   1
3   3   1   3--L-4@col1 (increase to 3-3)
2   1   1   1--w+3@col2
1   3   3   2--w+3@col3 (reduce to 1-1)
3   3   3   3
2   3   3   3--L-2@col2 ; L-4@col3 (increase to 3-3)
1   3   3   1--w+3@col4
1   2   2   1
3   3   1   2--w+3@col1 ; w+1@col4
1   3   1   3

won=24
lost=16
Profit=8pts

Another real session just now...

3132
1112
2132 - L-2@col2    u to 2
1233 - w+2@col4 d to 1
3323 - w+1@col3
2133 - L-2@col4   u to 2
3233
3222 - w+2@col3 d to 1
2121 - w+1@col1; w+1@col2
3232 - w+1@col3
1211
2311 - w+1@col2
2331 - w+1@col3; L-2@col4   u to 2
2112 - L-4@col1; u to 3 ; w+3@col2
1122
1312 - w+3@col2; L-2@col4
2222 - w+2@col1
1221
3323 - w+1@col2; L-2@col3
2131
2222
1233 - w+2@col1   d to 1
3312 - w+1@col2
2323
1232 - w+1@col2
1312
3131 - w+1@1; w+1@4

+11pts


A.

[atlantis]

On second thoughts - forget this - it ain't gonna work very good. 

I'm moving on to something else now! 

A.

[bleep24]

Hi Atlantis,

How can you say that this is not going to work.   You have shown examples of it working.     Yes it might be a bit long-winded and win units are not great but it seems to be a very steady system where there are not likely to be any severe losses. 

We all know where these get rich quick systems go:  up  up and then down with the loss of a long progression

I have tested 4 sessions of this and all I was suffering was 1 loss followed straight after by a win.

Have you thought of doing the columns at the same time to give more betting opportunities? There are gaps to fill.

What about a pyramid matrix.  I think that Katilla (sorry about the spelling) posted a system using pyramids.

Brian

[RouletteGhost]

This is pretty close to lankys holy grail. I made an entire roulette forum dedicated to it

I tried to help

[atlantis]

Thanks guys for your input. I did get a RFH bad session and with it happening so soon it kinda put me right off.
RouletteGhost  is right. This is pretty close to Lanky's Holy Grail.... - and that may be better way to go!?
Maybe playing after an LL or LLL would help - but that also means a lot less bet opps.

I'll think about tweaking it though.

Thanks,
A.

[bleep24]

Hi Atlantis,

Bad news you encountering a RFH with this.  I thought this might be a pretty low risk of this.  I do not think that it is practical to wait for a L or LL.
I have played a further 4 sessions and most losses in a row was one.
What I would suggest after LL is change tables but carry on with where you were in progression.  Also it is possibly only my thing but I usually change tables after a zero comes out.

Will take a shuffty at Lankey`s HG.

Brian

[bleep24]

I was thinking about flat betting with this.  Win +1       lose -2              Not sure if betting dozens is a 1 in 27 chance of a loss or 1 in 81 chance of a loss.   If a loss occurs switch matrix to DS`s and bet that a 2 will not become a 3.  Much higher odds of winning playing DS`s so could be more chance to recover your lost than from playing the dozens.  Bigger stakes with DS`s but a lot less opportunities to bet so change back to dozens after you have recovered.

So basically only allow 1 loss on the dozens before changing.   No good waiting for LL as that will only happen once in a blue moon.

Brian

[atlantis]

Hi Brian,

Having reviewed it again I think Lanky's HG is a  better proposition by far; and so I really encourage you to go back and check it out.

Here I play after an LL trigger using a +1 progression on each Doz just to be safe - but then you cannot get a really long losing run with Lanky's method. I think it was stated the most L's in a few years was a  7-timer and Lanky purportedly made thousands of $$$ because he used bigger unit values and played after 4 L's trigger..

Here I show the profit/loss from a session so you can see - but I do not think it my place to show or reveal the full operational mechanics of his method.

1     2     1     1
1     1    1    3
3     3    3    3 
2    1   1    2     +1
2    1   3   3     +1
3    1   1   2 
2    1   3   1
3    1   1   3
2    2   3   3      +1
2    2   1   2 
1     2   3   1 
3     1   3   2      +1
3     2   3   1     +1
2     2    1   2 
3     3    1   1 
3    3    1    2
1    2    1    3 
1    2    1    2
2    3    2    2 
1    1    2    3 
3    1    1    3 
1    2    1    1 
1    3    3     3 
2    1    2     1      -2
3    2    3    2       -4
3    2    3    3      +1; +3
3    2    3    2      +1
3    1    3    1
1     3    3    3
1    1    1     2       -2
1    1    3    3       +2
1    3    1    2
3    3    3    1
2     2    1    1
3    1    3    1
1     1    2    3       +1
2    3    2    3
2    1    3    1        +1
1    2    2    3
2    2    1    3
1    2    3    1
1    3    3    2        +1
2    2    1    2
1    1    1    1
2    1    3    3
1    2    1    1
2    2    2    1
1    1    3    1
3     2    3    1        +1
1    3    2    2
1    3    3    3
3    2    3    2        +1
3    3    3    1
2    1     3    2
2    3    2    2
2    1    2    3
3    3    3    1
3    3    2    2          -2
2    1    3    1         +2
1    3    2    1
1    3    2    2
2    3    1    3
2    2    3    2
1    2    3    2         +2
3    1    1    2
3    3    3    1
3    3    1    3          +1
2    1    1    1          +1
1    3    3    2
3    3    3    3           -2
2    3    3    3           -4; +1
1    3    3    1
1    2    2    1           +3
3    3    1    2
1    3    1    3          +1
3    1    3     2          +1

+13u

A.

[RouletteGhost]

The only time lankys ever lost was on RNG

[bleep24]

Hi RG,

We cannot emphasize enough and often to newbies the perils of RNG.   I experienced it first hand years ago and do not go near it now.   In short bursts and not too often you can get away with it but on your own head be it.   (Bound to be loads of posts from members playing RNG and winning zillions every day!!)

Brian

(Am working my way through posts about Lankys method)

[RouletteGhost]

Yup that was my point

RNG is trash

[RouletteGhost]

Lankys

Write dozens left to write in a 4 wide matrix

We play vertically. Any unique set is a L. I think lanky waited for 4 Ls then bet for a W with 1 3 9

Example of one Column in matrix

1
2
1 W
3 L
2 L

In simple terms of the dozen is not the same as the two above it counts as an L



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I wrote this in the past


You are writing the results left to right (horizontally) BUT you are playing up and down (vertically). If one of the 2 unique dozens above the dozen number you write is the SAME you write a W for a win, if it is different then the 2 unique dozens above you write L for a loss. L is what you want because thats where you get your triggers.

When you have 2 to 3 Ls vertically then when you get back to that particular column it is safe to start betting for a win (W)!

When you have 2 Ls vertically you can start betting the 2 dozens that match the 2 unique dozens above it. Lanky
waits for 4 Ls but no need to, max that ever was hit was 7.

Also, when a 0 or 00 (on american) comes (play european if you can but no difference), write a W for a win next to it. Because when you have a trigger a 0 will be a win because you will always place insurance chips on 0. So when a 0 comes you treat it as a W and write W, this will not be a L that would lead to your trigger.

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I won every airball session I played but triggers took awhile

[RouletteGhost]

Lanky would track many tables and play all day

[bleep24]

Hi Atlantis,

Mentioning Lanky and 1 3 9.     Did he use his divisor method with this or just the 1 3 9 if you know?

Brian

[atlantis]

RG wrote:

If one of the 2 unique dozens above the dozen number you write is the SAME you write a W for a win, if it is different then the 2 unique dozens above you write L for a loss.

I believe that to be absolutely correct. As I understood it when starting to create a dozen grid you have to wait for the 2 UNIQUE dozens to occur in a column before you can start recording W/L's for that column...

EG:

A column at the start of a grid.

1
1
1
2        - 2 uniques have now appeared so can begin recording W/L registry from next below result when it happens.


Brian wrote:

Mentioning Lanky and 1 3 9.     Did he use his divisor method with this or just the 1 3 9 if you know?

Lanky DID like that method such a lot - but I dunno if he used it on this or not, I'm afraid. Maybe RG can throw some light on that?
Lanky would wait for 4 L's before using the 1-3-9.

Whatever though; the system does requires TIME, PATIENCE, DETERMINATION.

When you have 2 Ls vertically you can start betting the 2 dozens that match the 2 unique dozens above it. Lanky
waits for 4 Ls but no need to, max that ever was hit was 7.

Did a real session and won +4 using +1/-1 like that with small units. Took 50 minutes online live dealer.

Token insurance on the 0 a good idea - in case.


A.