Test my skills! (Anyone welcomed)

[AceOHearts]

Hi all, I want to keep this short and sweet. Winning at roulette is very possible some people won't believe it some will but regardless of which side your on facts are facts and I can prove it.  Here's a funny scenario I like to use to show what I mean. Let's say some casino mob captured you and put you in a room with a roulette wheel and a dealer, they make a deal with you for your freedom or your life. Here's the rules.
1. You get $500(whatever your currency) as a starting bankroll.
2.$1 minimum bet and $100 maximum, you would have to bet at least $1 every spin.
3. You have to play nonstop for 72 hours.
4. No use of progressive systems allowed, increasing bets after a loss is prohibited.
5.No use of electronic devices whatsoever(all electronics will be confiscated and returned once and if challenge is completed.)
6. At the end of 72 hours of playing your bankroll has to be tripled from $500 to $1500 or more, if after 72 hour session your bankroll is less than $1500 you will be killed(hypothetically lol)
One last thing, the wheel being used is AMERICAN! Yup a double zero wheel
with the same 35 to 1 payout.

So basically if you play 3 days straight with a 00 wheel with a $500 bankroll and can't triple it by the last hour, using no progressions whatsoever then you die, however if you can triple it and stay above $1500 at the end of the third day then you keep your life and the money!

In this TOTALLY HYPOTHETICALLY scenario how many people honestly can feel confident that they would come out of this challenge alive without the use of some C.I.A. spy skills. Well I can say for myself that I'm completely confident that I could walk out of that challenge a winner almost every single time. I'm not saying this to brag or blow smoke up your ass but it took me literally years of losing thousands of dollars and missed opportunities to know what I know today and while I dont regret it, I don't recommend anyone go down the path I went to just to try and beat the casinos, there's more sane ways to get rich trust me, but your obsessed like I was then don't give up because there are answers(but not many) to beat the house. Anyways if your interested in putting my skills to the test shoot me a message and I'll try and set something up with you, I live in Las Vegas btw so if anyone is around my neck of the woods or if anyone is visiting, definitely get in contact with me.

[Still]

Hi AceOfHearts,

You're just in time!  Priyanka was forced to scale back on confidence (and pretend to not have an edge), 3Nine can't kill the game, rrbb is elusive, reddwarf is long gone, and cheese ain't talkin.  The only one left here who can beat the wheel is falkor, but even he had to recently pretend that his proof died under big data, in order to censor his own findings.

I have a proposal, but first some background.

Over at Bovada I won 4 or 5:1 odds when Trump won the Presidency.  Included in that win was my 50% "Welcome Bonus", which approximates the base bank  you propose. 

To retrieve my bonus winnings, however, I'll need to step up to the tables under terms not too different from what you describe. 

Now, we know that you could go to the online roulette game associated with this forum and prove something there, but last time somebody proved something there we were told that the implementation was hackable, and so, the person did not get proper props and kudos for their effort. 

And, if someone were to meet you in Vegas, it would still be a private encounter, and you would not really get the credit you deserve, since everybody knows what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. 

I propose a compromise where you and I take on the wheels at Bovada for a 50/50 split of the wins. I feed you the spins I see, and you feed me the stakes.

You can trust me to send you your cut in bitcoin, as I am one of the most trusted members here on account of my perfect American English. 

But first I would want to see a chart of past performance so that, if results start to deviate too far from expectations, I can pull the plug.

After all, we can't be too sure Bovada has a fair game installed on their RNG software.  Still, they have a good reputation.

It would be a win-win scenario. I could retrieve my Welcome Bonus and you could prove something to RouletteGhost who still thinks the house has the edge!

One question: how soon do you think you will need to scale up to $100 bets?

Last but not least, why not we tackle European wheel before tempting fate with the American ripoff?

[AceOHearts]

Hey I don't go here much so I'm not sure who all the members are. And why do they have to censor their findings I'm confused on that? I seen falkor post something on the dozens 2:1 bet but couldn't quite understand the post, but as far as your situation goes I could do that but I don't play against RNGs they are a false equivalent against a real wheel American or European if you play an online real wheel I could definitely help you but we would have to set something up one on one I'm not trying to make my info public. Also Random.org can be used to get a real random equivalent to Roulette for intergers.

[Taotie]

Anyone who can play roulette for 72 hours straight is a better man than I am, or flying high on cocaine, etc.

[Steve]

Priyanka was forced to scale back on confidence (and pretend to not have an edge), 3Nine can't kill the game, rrbb is elusive, reddwarf is long gone, and cheese ain't talkin.  The only one left here who can beat the wheel is falkor, but even he had to recently pretend that his proof died under big data, in order to censor his own findings.

And come to think of it, nothing i have ever taught or developed, and ap in general, has ever worked. Back to the drawing board i guess.

[Still]

And come to think of it, nothing i have ever taught or developed, and ap in general, has ever worked. Back to the drawing board i guess.

I'm a believer in AP in general, and am sure that you're implementations work if/when the vulnerable wheels can be found.  My understanding is that with your best method, most wheels must succumb to your advantage. 

The musings in my opening paragraph with AceOfHearts was a commentary on my observation that people who know they can beat the wheel with some kind of inside track on mathematical patterns tend to self-censor. (The falkor reference was some inside the track humor). I can't say i blame them as the game itself would end if certain kinds of knowledge became general public.  Even if the game could survive, people don't like to give away too much to ingrates, and i don't blame them either. 

In observing that, i am also reminded that any possible solution, for example, based on exploiting the phenomenon of repeats, could (must?) also threaten the business of AP technology, as potentially easier to implement.   

Thankfully, except for the amusing self-censoring going on, I haven't seen any evidence of suppression of knowledge, and i do appreciate the forum rules about "baiting", as more often than not, it translates into obnoxious condescension not worth the price.  But TG's explanation of repeats did make some sense to me, out of the box.   I'm not surprised nottophammer's iteration of that idea shows promise, and i do give credence to Priyanka's 3+ win-rate on the local game.

Lately, i find my circumstances allow a renewed look into the possibilities, and i am dusting off my VBA/Excel skills to see if i can leverage some of the generosity deposited here in the forum. Still, to avoid frustration, i'm finding it necessary to approach this whole matter with a sense of humor.

   

[Still]

Hey I don't go here much so I'm not sure who all the members are. And why do they have to censor their findings I'm confused on that? I seen falkor post something on the dozens 2:1 bet but couldn't quite understand the post, but as far as your situation goes I could do that but I don't play against RNGs they are a false equivalent against a real wheel American or European if you play an online real wheel I could definitely help you but we would have to set something up one on one I'm not trying to make my info public. Also Random.org can be used to get a real random equivalent to Roulette for intergers.

As an American (who really knows what that means) my choices of online casino's are limited. I don't think i have access to the live wheels at Dublin Bet, or anywhere else, unless i'm mistaken.  Bovada is convenient for me, and i have some bonu$ tied up there.

My thoughts on RNG is that true RNG is nothing to fear, and PRNG cuts both ways.  It might sink your system, or, it might be exploitable as a weakness (just as a tilted wheel can be exploited by a hot-numbers system).

My greatest concern is that an online casino can simply weight the chips on the table, over-ride any actual RNG, and simply tell it to spit out a number where there are the least amount of chips.  Besides not honoring payouts.

I'm ok risking some of my own $ on Bovada's idea of random. But i can also understand your wish to prove something, and the perceived risk to your reputation.  That's one reason i propose coming up with a chart that shows what you expect from your system, so that, if Bovada results stray from that, we may detect possible foul-play in time to prevent big losses.

And of course, the results can be as public or as private as you wish them to be.  I may or may not be able to deduce anything from the permanence and staking patterns.  You may not want the game details to be published.  Whatever you want.

My belief is that the disadvantages of an online RNG (or PRNG) could not be so great as the disadvantages of an American wheel compared to a European wheel.   

Here on this forum there is a depository of spins from a European casino live wheel.   We could use this to produce a chart of expectations from your system. 

Still   

[cerces]

Gamblers Fallacy, "I've got skills," when relating to roulette.
More correctly, you think you have skills, because you think you know something.
Rest assured, you do not.
Treat roulette for what it is, an elaborate guessing game, enticingly presented, with a compulsion-to-play "hook" (the possibility of quick profits), but, unless you train yourself to be a  more determined "Grinder" than the house (Casino), you will be the Ground.

[bigmoney]

Please enlighten us how do you train to be a grinder ?

[Proofreaders2000]

As an American (who really knows what that means) my choices of online casino's are limited. I don't think i have access to the live wheels at Dublin Bet, or anywhere else, unless i'm mistaken...-Still

I know of three reliable live game online casinos for Americans

1.) Jackpot Capital (0 only)        2.) Five Dimes (0 & 00)        3.) Bet Phoenix (00 only)

@AceofHearts: I would like to hear more on your gameplay (if you care to share)

[Still]

Thanks for the tip ProofReader! I looked em all up. Three out of three deal with Bitcoin. Very nice. I also noticed that the payouts on straight numbers is 35:1 whether it's a Euro wheel or an American wheel.  This could work out for straight up numbers systems that include the zero(s).  Two are out of .EU domains, and one is out of an .AG domain (not sure where that is). 

[nottophammer]

I'm not surprised nottophammer's iteration of that idea shows promise,

 

[mogul397]

Well Ace,  I did try to follow your instructions and "contact" you with
a PM. It says you can't receive them.

So I'm giving you a poke here and would like to hear information
about good betting.  Not just a thread of bantor.

"I'm here for you". 

Not sure how I'd "test" your skills though.

[mogul397]

So far I ain't seen anything from this guy or this post.

Lots of talk and claims in the beginning.

[DoctorSudoku]

Thanks for the tip ProofReader! I looked em all up. Three out of three deal with Bitcoin. Very nice. I also noticed that the payouts on straight numbers is 35:1 whether it's a Euro wheel or an American wheel.  This could work out for straight up numbers systems that include the zero(s).  Two are out of .EU domains, and one is out of an .AG domain (not sure where that is).

Since you have recently posted several times on the betselection.cc forum , I thought that I would mention this that one of the former global moderators there, ADulay, has good things to say about betphoenix.ag. He plays baccarat there regularly and has said that he was able to withdraw his winnings without a problem. Maybe you can PM him and get more details.