phoenix system

[albertojonas]

This is a system i read at another place... found it in my notepad. this is a transcription, hope the author does not mind.

"Playing this way you should limit your losses in "black" days. This limit is one
third of an expected profit, I.e. if you finish the game with profit of + 50
units on good days, you have to complete game with the loss of -75 units on bad
ones. Only best use of the method described here gives you SUPER profit.
The given system consists of two interconnected parts. The first is a preliminary
part. It should bring a profit without interruption. If you lose, an additional
system comes into action. Its aim is to return the loss in a preliminary part.
Further game again begins with the first system.
The preliminary part consists
of 3 bets.
Ã,· 1-st bet - 1 unit on the last come dozen
Ã,· 2-nd bet - 3 units on the last even chance
Ã,· 3-rd bet - 12 units the ET-bet.(It covers 24 nbrs. - 9 units on even chance &
3 units on the closest 6-line, ex. 9-big & 3 on 13-18 or 9-small & 3 on 19-24)

Thus, you play the game together with bank (bank as the table). If the
first bet wins, there is a plus in two units. If there is a loss, the second bet
of three units on "small" or "large" numbers comes in. If this bet wins, there
is again plus in two units, including the first lost bet. If the second bet also
loses, we use the ET-bet, 9 units of it are put on the last appearing "small" or
"large" numbers and 3 units on appropriate 6-line - 13-18 (if the latter number
was " large ") and 19-24 (if the last number was "small"). If the ET-bet wins,
we return the lost by the previous bets and again benefit is plus two units.

After each winning we come back to the first bet. If zero comes on, the bet is
finished and we wait for the next spin.
After loss of all three bets, the
additional system comes in. It must get the lost 16 units back. This system is
also conducted with bank. The scheme is:
Bet
Red or Black
Even or Odd
One of the dozens
1
2
3
4
1
2
3
6
1
2
3
6
1
1
2
4
After each plus reached by one from four bets, you need to return to the initial
bet immediately. Only if there is a partial prize, which does not cover the
previous loss, the same bet is made for the second time. All these operations
need to be used as long as the lost in the first part 16 units are back. Then
the preliminary system comes in again"


Please Share your thoughts and tests with me.

thx

[GLC]

Al,

Thanks for posting this system.

I like the way it looks.

I have played similar systems, but this one seems a little better.

I didn't understand the recovery part of the system if you lose the 1st 16 units.

In similar systems, I have always just gone to like 2-6-24 until I won 8 times which would get back my lost units so I could start over with 1-3-12.

Could you please explain what the author calls the "additional" system?

Thanks,

George

[albertojonas]

i play the second part as it says...

place 1 chip at last black or red. if win reset.
if lost place 2 chips at last even or odd. if win reset.
if lost play 3 chips at last dozzen.
etc...

hope this clarifies

[GLC]

Bet
Red or Black
Even or Odd
One of the dozens
1  I bet 1 unit on Red or Black.  If lose, next
2  I bet 2 units on Even or Odd.  If lose, next
3  I bet 3 units on a dozen.  If lose,  what?
4  What do we do with this number?
1  Etc....
2
3
6
1
2
3
6
1
1
2
4
After each plus reached by one from four bets, you need to return to the initial
bet immediately. Only if there is a partial prize, which does not cover the
previous loss, the same bet is made for the second time. All these operations
need to be used as long as the lost in the first part 16 units are back. Then
the preliminary system comes in again"

I have been testing it will the following method.

Since I like to keep my bets as small as possible, I have been betting 1,2 & 4-4

1 unit on the penultimate dozen.
2 units on the penultimate color
4 units on the last two dozens that hit.

If I lose all three spins, I go to 2,4 & 8-8 until I recover my lost 11 units.

If I lose at 2,4 & 8-8 I go to 4,8 & 16-16.

If I lose at 4,8 & 16-16, I take that as a loss and start over with 1,2 & 4-4.

At most I will lose 77 units, but that's only if you never win even 1  3 bet sequence.

As we all know with systems like this, there's nothing sacred about how you vary your bet amounts.

I've always wondered why you would switch to a different system to recover a loss.

Seems like if that system is so good, why not use it all the time.

Same with the original system.  If it's good enough to play until a loss, why  not play it to recover a loss?

So far, I haven't lost a session.

Just getting started with the testing, but I still like it.

thanks again for sharing the concept Al.

Cheers,

George

[albertojonas]

other option is play as you said, what i think it's fragile.

or even arrange other additional system.

any suggestion?

i got one respecting the mm of the second system. i will try the same progression with barracuda +1 on a Loss / +1 on a Win

with or without LW strategy?


A case of study, indeed

[albertojonas]

your post got ahead of mine...

i like your option and i also think if the syste is good why not play it over and over.

-maybe the risc of 16 chips on a loss for 2 chips profit is a bit hard, so the reason of the alternative one.

(pls consider my last post observations regarding your penultimate one)

[GLC]

Your post got ahead of mine...

i like your option and I also think if the syste is good why not play it over and over.

-maybe the risc of 16 chips on a loss for 2 chips profit is a bit hard, so the reason of the alternative one.

(pls consider my last post observations regarding your penultimate one)

Sounds good.

I have to take a break for a while.

Check back in after some additional testing.

G

[GLC]

Al,

I have played 6 sessions to +20 with no losses so far.

No doubt I am being lucky, but how long can luck continue?  I know, I know, it can turn and be just as bad for just as long.

Anyway, for those who want to try it:

Bet 1 unit on the 2nd to last spun dozen.  This is usually the penultimate spin, but if the same dozen has hit back to back, I go back until I get the last 2 dozens that have hit and bet on the 2nd dozen.

If I win, I'm up 2 units, so start over.

If I lose, I bet 2 units on the penultimate color even if there have been 2 of the same color for the last 2 spins.

If I win, I am up 1 unit, so start over at 1 unit on the 2nd to last spun dozen.

If I lose, I bet 4 units each on the last 2 spun dozens for a total of 8 units.

If I win, I am up 1 unit, so start over at 1 unit on the 2nd to last spun dozen.

If I lose, I am down 11 units.

I increase my bets to 2,4,8&8 until I recover the 11 lost units.  Then I start over at 1 unit. 

If I lose 3 spins in a row, I will lose 22 units  which is off-set by any units I won before I lost 3 in a row.

I play at 4,8,16&16 until I recover or until I'm -11 or less at which time I drop back to 2,4,8&8 until I recover all lost units. 

At which time I reset to 1,2,4&4.

If I lose at 4,8,16&16, I consider that a lost session and  start a new session at 1 unit.

Seems to be working pretty well.

George

[GLC]

Another more aggressive way I have been playing is:

I bet 1,2,4&4 and if I lose 3 bets, I go to 6,12,24&24.

If I win the 6 units bet on a dozen I am +1 unit so start over.

If I win the 12 unit bet or the 24&24 unit bet 2 times, I am +1 so start over.

It's a little riskier and takes a lot of guts to play this way, but the recovery is very quick.

By the way, I just won another session to 20 playing this way.

I'm still waiting to get the wind knocked out of my sails.

Al, I know you're in the twilight hours, when you get up in the AM tell me what you think.

G

[albertojonas]

 
that's awsome so far. how long have been your sessions?

can you post a resume of games played / profits?

i think is a good way to go an a very viable system. "go with the flow" you should name it.

i play many systems with dozzens and this one is nothing new, is very similar to ones from Hermes, Atlantis, Kattila.

figures for DC, 4x4, etc... still worth a shot. i didnÃ,´t get if thats the emergency plan or the main system itself

keepin' it up mate

[albertojonas]

I have a good feeling about this one!!

[GLC]

that's awsome so far. how long have been your sessions?

can you post a resume of games played / profits?

i think is a good way to go an a very viable system. "go with the flow" you should name it.

i play many systems with dozzens and this one is nothing new, is very similar to ones from Hermes, Atlantis, Kattila.

figures for DC, 4x4, etc... still worth a shot. I didnÃ,´t get if that's the emergency plan or the main system itself

keepin' it up mate

Hey Al,

I have just been playing the very aggressive method for the last 3 sessions.

That's 1,2,4&4 if lose then 6,12,24&24.  Recovers after only 1 or 2-4 spins.

My sessions are very quick.  Usually not more than about 30-50 spins.  Pretty short sessions for 20 units.

I know it can easily lose, but so far it hasn't.

I think that I'll start playing 1,2,4&4 with no recovery adjustment.  Just play 1,2,4&4 until up like 10 or 15 units just to see how well it performs with no progression.

This will tell us a lot about it's staying power.

I keep trying to figure out why it wins.  Since I can't, I'm thinking it may just be a very lucky series of sessions.

I hate to be negative, but how many of these systems start out great only to have reality hit home with a vengeance.

We'll see.

George

[albertojonas]

I hate to be negative, but how many of these systems start out great only to have reality hit home with a vengeance.

We'll see.

George

i think that's what money management can alter in your favour.
with a good stop-loss no big harm can be done. also your progression is great. I would stick to the safer one (must try start playing 1,2,4&4 with no recovery adjustment)  and maybe try to explore it's streaky side.
Post results soon

[albertojonas]

test

Casino Spielbank Wiesbaden 11.10.2010; Table 9

Spin 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30

Num 0 36 27 28 25 30 9 34 23 20 25 28 34 35 12 26 30 22 13 13 8 29 18 0 28 11 36 16 14 17

Dozzen 0 3 3 3 3 3 1 3 2 2 3 3 3 3 1 3 3 2 2 2 1 3 2 0 3 2 3 2 2 2

Bet 1 2 1 2 1 2 1 2 4 1 1 1 1 2 4 1 2 1 1 2 1 2 4 1 2 4 1

Balance 500 502 500 502 504 503 505 504 502 506 508 510 512 511 509 513 512 514 516 515 517 516 514 518 517 515 519 521 521 521

we would have continue this winning streak, but money management says to call it a winning session and start over.

i used last coming instead of penultimate (easier 4 me)

Keep them coming

[GLC]

Another quick session:

Spin  Bet    W/L   Total
B8      NB
R32    NB
R14   1/1     -1       -1
0       2/R     -2       -3
R36   4/2-3  +4      +1
B31   1/2     -1       0
B10   2/R     -2        -2
R21   4/1-3  -8       -10
B2     6/1     +12     +2
R19   1/2     +2       +4
B22   1/1     -1        +3
R30   2/R     +2       +5
B10   1/2     -1        +4
B33   2/R     -2        +2
R21   4/1-3  -8        -6
R19   6/3     -6        -12
B4     12/R   -12     -24
R18   24/1-2+24     0
B4     6/1     +12     +12
R19   1/2     +2       +14
R18   1/1     -1        +13
B11   2/R     -2        +11
0       4/1-2  -8       +3
R27   6/2     -6       -3
B15   12/B   +12    +9
B20   3/3     -3        +6
B26   9/B     +9      +12
B22   1/2     +2      +14
R5     1/3     -1       +13
B26   2/B     +2      +15
R14   1/1     -1       +14
B22   2/B     +2      +16
B13   1/2     +2      +18

I thought this was a +20 session.
I usually reset after +1 or more and add up the pluses.
I thought it would be easier to see my total this way, but it looks like I quit playing a little too soon.
1/2 = 1 unit bet on the 2nd dozen
2/R = 2 units bet on Red
4/1-3 = 4 units bet on both 1st dozen and 3rd dozen.

That should give you all you need to understand my bets

You'll notice that when the B20 hit I had bet only 3 units on the 3rd dozen.  I did this because I only needed to win 4 to be in the plus.  I normally would have bet 6 units on the 3rd dozen, but I didn't want to risk any more units than necessary.

A couple of close calls.  But still no losing sessions.

For real money, I would go to 2,4,8&8 to recover rather than 6,12,24&24.  But I just felt lucky tonight, so go for it.

George