phoenix system

[GLC]

George,
   The progression you are testing is doing quite well even with the loss.  I could easily have a progression loss at any time.  Several times I have went to my last bet in the series but was fortunate to win each time.  You have tested more sessions than I have at this point so we just need to forge ahead some more.  At present I am up a little more than 240 units.  If I can make to to 1000 units that would be a milestone (for me).  I am encouraged by these results but I have been in this position before only to have failure later on so I tend not to get to excited by initial results.

Dennisbelle,

I agree 1000%.  Steady as she goes, mate.

We've all been here before with a promising system which is doing quite well only to have it come to a screeching halt.

I think, as of right now, that the 1,2,4&4 then 6,12,24&24 is a little safer than 1,2,4&4,12 on 5 dbl sts.  I have lost twice now on the 5 dble sts bet and so am losing confidence in it. 

I think the chance of losing at 1,2,4 then 6,12,24 is a little less and therefore safer.

It will happen.  Like you said, you have won numerous times on the 24 units bets and you technically should lose once (not counting the zero) every 3 times this bet is made.

There's a sense in which this is like a mixed martingale.  And we know that you can win for a long time on a 6 or 8 step martingale before hitting the losing streak.

I am still up close to 300 units, so together we are up over 500 units.  Let's both see if we can reach +1000 units.  If we do, it won't be absolute proof, but it will be enough for me to formulate a strategy to start playing this for real money.

I think we should agree on both bet selection and bet progression we are using so when we reach a final conclusion it will be based on concrete stats.

I will PM you with my exact play method.  You do the same, and we'll post for all to see and test with us if they wish.

Alberto,

What do you think.  If dennisbelle and I reach +1000 units profit, we can then post this as a full system with all the rules and bet progression clearly spelled out.

Thanks guys,

George

[Side B]

I would like to confirm to you all that Fender's Zone was a WHOLE LOAD OF of not so much value!! I know, I tested it for a few months, it just fails in the end like the others. What makes it even more infuriating is that you take weeks and weeks to build up a bankroll, winning 4-5 units a day, only to lose it all in one session. Sure this is a classic scenario, but it's not so bad when you've built up the bankroll quickly. It was painful some days to win just 4 units, all the waiting and the drawdowns...   

Er... how weird, I can't believe the word ru b b i s h got censored, how was that first sentence meant to make sense?

[Side B]

Side B,

Thanks for the update on THE ZONE.  I did some preliminary testing with it and as is expected, had many small wins, but I too hit a major loss which put me in the hole so I went on to other things.

I wasn't sure, but suspected that in the end it was to difficult to stay ahead.

Thanks for your input.  It settles it for me from someone who invested a lot of time testing to give a valid report.

The Phoenix system may wind up in the same pile as THE ZONE.  I hope not, but we're after the truth about any system so we don't get hurt playing for real money.

That's why it's important that as many as are interested do some tests and post a summary of each session.

Cheers,

George

I can, very easily, mathematically prove that the Zone does not and cannot work. It's a shame because it was a promising system but in the end it's a sham. Interestingly, Fender hasn't shown his face for several months now, I wonder why...

[albertojonas]

Absolutely YES George, we should just do post a defenitive version of it.

no strings atached if anything is wrong we can always come back and remix and give it another shot.

i will test it too with the following rulles wich I hope are the same used by you and dennisbelle.

progression
1
2
4/4

on loss
6
12
24-24
till in proffit~~

play
before last dozzen
before last colour
last 2 dozzens

post results soon

[albertojonas]

First test +25
Second test +25
Third test +26



All tests made at the same session
sessions attached

[GLC]

Absolutely YES George, we should just do post a definitive version of it.

no strings attached if anything is wrong we can always come back and remix and give it another shot.

i will test it too with the following rules which I hope are the same used by you and dennisbelle.

progression
1
2
4/4

on loss
6
12
24-24
till in proffit~~

play
before last dozzen
before last colour
last 2 dozzens

post results soon

Good Al,

I will play the exact same way.

Something else to decide.  What to do when a zero hits.  

If a zero hits on the 1 or 2 bet I just take the loss and start over at 1.  If zero hits when I'm betting 4&4, I take the loss and go on to 6,12 etc...

If you like dealing with the zero some other way, I'm all ears.

When I lose a 24 bet on 2 dozens, I take that as a lost session.  We could just go back to 1,2 etc... and try to recover back to even which would be a pretty good feeling to be down 50  or 60 units and then get back to even.

I guess in the long run it doesn't matter if you recover during that session or in the next 2 or 3 sessions, as long as you eventually recover.

I have been playing on Bevoyager's demo mode single Zero wheel and not keeping track of all the spins.  Just the final outcome.

A session goes pretty fast and you don't need pen and paper.

I think I will go to the archived spins from Weisbaden that are available at win-maxx for my tests.  That way anyone can check to verify our results if they want to.

Sorry about my long posts.  My wife gives me a hard time about rattling on and on also.

Old habits die hard.

Regards,

George

[albertojonas]

dear George,

first of all your posts are very well written, not long, very complete.
you are also a very reliable member, i always count on you.
having said that...
when zero strikes for me i count it as a loss as you can see in my attached sessions above.

it works for me, everything goes on as other number had hit.

Best Regards,
Al

[albertojonas]

4th test (hard one)- +25
5th    +25
6th   +25
7th   +30

[GLC]

+21

Easy one.

[GLC]

4th test (hard one)- +25 Yes, my friend.  One of the hardest fought sessions I have seen that didn't include a loss at 24&24.  But it still won!
5th    +25
6th   +25

[albertojonas]

had my first loosing session

8th session -69


i lost at the second progression (-77) so i call it End Session.

it had nothing to do with zero neither was the second 6-12-24/24

at this last case what should we do ?

when we win the secon progression once should we get back to 1-2-4/4 despite we are not even yet?

[albertojonas]

 
did it again
9th session +25


this is my win target, a third from stoploss.
Should i make it 2/3? Like 50?

will try it.

[Carsch]

Let's hope it continues to deliver.

I'm having trouble understanding your bet sequence.

It's a little different from mine.

Can you please explain.

Thanks,

George

I bet on the last Doz
I lose and bet on R/B before last spin.
I lose and bet on the two last Dozens

[albertojonas]

I bet on the last Doz
I lose and bet on R/B before last spin.
I lose and bet on the two last Dozens

we (me & George) are testing the following way:

1bet on the before last dozzen
2nd bet on the before last colour
3rd bet on the last two dozzens

progressions:
1
2
4/4

6
12
24/24

Cheers,
AL

[Carsch]

It seems we're getting about the same results, though. Hmm, i might have to check the results with the different progressions.