phoenix system

[albertojonas]

10th session +50


Until now
10 sessions 9 won

net +187 units

[GLC]

Had my first losing session

8th session -69


i lost at the second progression (-77) so I call it End Session.

it had nothing to do with zero neither was the second 6-12-24/24

at this last case what should we do ?

when we win the secon progression once should we get back to 1-2-4/4 despite we are not even yet?

Al,  Whenever I lose at 6,12,24&24 I either end that session with a loss or I have been thinking about reseting back to 1 and continuing to play long enough to maybe recover my loss and break even.

You said "neither was the second 6-12-24/24".

Does that mean that if you lose on 24/24 you play it a second time.  I never play it a second time unless I win at 12 or 24/24, then I play it a second time to so I'm at +1.

I think that I may go back over some of your sessions and see how you would have done if you flatbet, in other words only played at 1-2-4/4.

If we can come out ahead playing that way, it will mean that we can just increase our bet size and never have to deal with really big losses.

Thanks for taking the time to detail your sessions.

LoL,

George

PS  I'm at +314 counting 2 losses.  They were both using a little different bet progression than we're using now.  If I had been betting per now, 1 would have lost and 1 would have won.  I know these results are a little tainted, but I think I'll continue with our exact method of play rather than start over.  If I win another 700 units this way, I'll be pretty excited.

PSS.  I just looked at a couple of session to see how a flatbet would fair and it doesn't look like this is workable with a flatbet.  Maybe with a pure flatbet:1-1-1/1.

[albertojonas]

i will carry on strictly as our method is at the moment. letting it mature.
our rulles are exactly the same. if i loose 2nd prog, session over.

Cheers,
AL

[Carsch]

I just tried 100 spins, but did something different.

I went

1 on Last R/B
2 on Last R/B
4 on each of Last 2 Dozens

Profit: +48
Highest bet: 8
Progression: 1, 2, 4:4 - 2, 4, 8:8 - 4, 8, 16:16

I had done a comparison test before with one of my previous sessions (100 spins) using the method you guys are using and the one above. I did get the same results using both methods.

The thing is; if I do not use a Doz as my first bet, but use an ECs bet, I seem to average more hits on the first bet. Though my profits will build up slower, in the long run, it might just come to about the same thing. I'd have to do more tests, though, comparing both to really see the differences involved.

Yet, an advantage playing this way, so it seems, is that if you average more hits on the first bet, you're taking less risk, thus less changes of going into the higher bets.

[GLC]

I just tried 100 spins, but did something different.

I went

1 on Last R/B
2 on Last R/B
4 on each of Last 2 Dozens

Profit: +48
Highest bet: 8
Progression: 1, 2, 4:4 - 2, 4, 8:8 - 4, 8, 16:16

I had done a comparison test before with one of my previous sessions (100 spins) using the method you guys are using and the one above. I did get the same results using both methods.

The thing is; if I do not use a Doz as my first bet, but use an ECs bet, I seem to average more hits on the first bet. Though my profits will build up slower, in the long run, it might just come to about the same thing. I'd have to do more tests, though, comparing both to really see the differences involved.

Yet, an advantage playing this way, so it seems, is that if you average more hits on the first bet, you're taking less risk, thus less changes of going into the higher bets.

Thanks for your input.

I understand what you're saying.

It makes a lot of sense.  Worth looking into for sure.

I'll check it against some of Al's posted sessions and see how they turn out.

Especially the session he lost on.

Busy at work for now.

Later,

George

[dennisbelle]

Session 13  -66
Session 14  -64
Session 15  +16
Session 16  +15

After a loss I continue to play the session out to around 30 spins (some times I have to go over 30 spins to complete a progression)

[GLC]

Session 13  -66
Session 14  -64
Session 15  +16
Session 16  +15

After a loss I continue to play the session out to around 30 spins (some times I have to go over 30 spins to complete a progression)

Thanks for posting your results.

The 2 losses are to be expected.  It may not make any difference in the long run, but whenever I lose at 6-12-24/24, I continue beyond the 30 spin barrier and try to recover back to even if possible.

It looks like you are up 147 units in 16 sessions which is around 500 spins which results in about 0.3 units per spin win rate.  Not great, but not horrible either.  If it doesn't stay around .3 units/spin, it may not be good enough for a confident system.

I have been looking at betting a 6 step bet: 1-2-4/4-6-18-36/36.

My reasoning is that in order to lose we must lose 2 sequences back to back which I think has a less chance of happening than to lose a 6-12-24/24 before winning 2 times to recover a 1-2-4/4 loss.

I may be wrong, to test it all we have to do is look at a losing sequence and see how many of them had a win between to 2 progressions.  In other words, we may save a loss every now and then.  Because we will lose 103 units instead of 77, it may not put us ahead overall.

Also, Carlo's tweak on the 1st bet may be a positive move.

Keep on Truckin'

George

[Carsch]

I tested another 100 spins, this time i did it with both, the one with my tweak and the other the way you guys have been doing it, except that i'm still using the old progression (1,2,4:4 - 2,4,8:8 - 4,8,16:16 - 8, 16, 32:32). I said to myself i'd keep using this progression till it busts, and it did this time. But i'll keep using it with my new tweak and see where it will take me.

[GLC]

I tested another 100 spins, this time I did it with both, the one with my tweak and the other the way you guys have been doing it, except that i'm still using the old progression (1,2,4:4 - 2,4,8:8 - 4,8,16:16 - 8, 16, 32:32). I said to myself i'd keep using this progression till it busts, and it did this time. But i'll keep using it with my new tweak and see where it will take me.

Carlo,

Thanks for the post.

Excellent test.

One thing I would like to point out is that your new tweak never lost 6 times in a row.

Had you been betting with the 6 step progression 1-2-4/4-6-18-36/36, you would have won 51 units.  The 6 losses after you ended would  not have happened because spin #109 should be a win instead of a loss.

So, based on this test alone, your new tweak is better although it wins at a much slower pace.

I haven't checked to see how you would have done had you used the 1-2-4/4 then 6-12-24/24 bet progression.  I'm pretty sure it would have fared better.

Let's keep testing. 

We know it will lose, the question is How often?

George

[GLC]

+20 easy session
+334 units up overall

Cheers

[Carsch]

So, based on this test alone, your new tweak is better although it wins at a much slower pace.

I can't say it's better - not yet. I'll have to keep testing to find out.

[Kattila]

Hi  guys , I hope you still up  with this method.  

This is  a similar  idea :

Start and track  the streets, and the Ec s, than  bet :


A.


                                                                                                 if lose    if  win

1.  1unit on one EC, but wait RBR bet R, or BRB bet B             -1           +1

2.  1 unit on the penultimate dozen                                        -2            +1

3.   1unit on the last 8 streets                                                 -10          +2

4.   6 units on the last 10 streets                                            -70          +2


Can be maybe safer if before steep 3 wait  a virtual  w than  bet on the last
8 streets,  and   before steep 4  wait a virtual w  than bet  the last 10 streets.

...

Or

B.


1.  1 unit on one EC, but wait RBR bet R, or BRB bet B              -1    +1

2.     0,50 x 8 last streets                                                            -5     +1

3.     2  x  10 last  streets                                                            -35   +1

Again  wait a virtual w  before step 2  and step  3

Just  ideas ..............



Cheers.

[GLC]

I can't say it's better - not yet. I'll have to keep testing to find out.

The one thing that I did notice in your side by side test is that you are using a double zero wheel and the extra zero definitely adds a greater degree of difficulty.

I have been testing on single zero only.

If you can stay ahead on a double zero wheel, it'll mean an easier game on a single zero.

G

Oh yeah,  +20 each on another 2 sessions.

33 spins and 28 spins.

Up +374 units.

Bet 24/24 twice but hit both in 1st session.  That means I'm due for a loss.

On my second session, I bet 24/24 once and won.

[dennisbelle]

This is ugly

Session 17  -64
Session 18  -63
Session 19  -67
Session 20  +20

This will be my last test with this configuration

[GLC]

This is ugly

Session 17  -64
Session 18  -63
Session 19  -67
Session 20  +20

This will be my last test with this configuration

That is ugly.

I'm a little disappointed but not really that surprised.

I will continue to test.  I expect to have more loses, but you have had 5 losing sessions in the last 8.  Not encouraging at all.

Just glad it wasn't with real money.

Thanks for all your help.

George