The Ultimate Holy Atm Grail

[falkor2k15]

I guess

So in 4 spins not including 0 a dozen repeat will end that cycle

No way around that

But knowing that won't help us win!?

Yes it will help - it's the main framework to beating the game! Without it you cannot win in the long run..

[Steve]

So you don't agree that a dozen repeat has a limit of 4 spins?

NO, I DONT AGREE THERES A LIMIT OF 4 SPINS

I have seen many runs of 5 or more spins all from one particular dozen. Excluding 0, the probably of 5 spins in the same dozen is 1 in 3x3x3x3x3 =  243.

Check enough spins and you see there's no limit except what's possible. Possibility has known limit.

Falkor you have absolutely no idea. I'm sorry but there are 5 year old kids with better logic and understanding than you. And it's not limited to one area.

Please don't go around claiming to know the secrets of random and the holy grail. It actually degrades forum productivity and integrity. This is not the right forum for you.

[Priyanka]

NO, I DONT AGREE THERES A LIMIT OF 4 SPINS

Steve I think he meant at least one dozen will repeat in 4 spins if zeroes don't appear.  That statement is true.

[DoctorSudoku]

Guys,
I already raised this exact issue 10 days ago on the how to beat Las Vegas thread:

link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=18624.msg173596#msg173596

The point about excluding zeros in discussing cycles needs to be mentioned in the original PHP slide.

Of course, the zeros will still matter in the end when you start betting on dozens with real money.

[RouletteGhost]

Steve misunderstood what falkor was saying. Rightfully so because he is outlandish a lot of times

That being said

Knowing a dozen will repeat within 4 spins excluding zeros cannot help us win

It's like saying in 10 million spins red and black will be about equal

[Steve]

It's actually no different. We don't know if or when a dozen will repeat.  It's the same concept of the law of a third. You still aren't changing the odds. Your bet selection accuracy is the same as random.

It's like saying after 3 spins at least 1 color will repeat. But try that theory to increase accuracy of predictions.

[DoctorSudoku]

Steve I think he meant at least one dozen will repeat in 4 spins if zeroes don't appear.  That statement is true.

Okay -- for the sake of discussion, let's say we ignore the zeros.

Let's say we have the following spins appear (in terms of dozens):

3 (oldest dozen)
1
2

Again, ignoring the zeros for the time being, how do we know which dozen will be the first to repeat?

Is it going to be 1?
Or 2?
Or  3?

How do we exploit this dozen repeat principle that the Pigeon Hole Principle is talking about in actually making a winning bet on the ensuing spin?

Surely, we are not going to place a bet on all three dozens for the next spin, are we? 

[Steve]

Yes there are many combinations. The point is you aren't changing odds so the outcome is still the same as random bets.

The free software i published free shows this for anyone

[Steve]

To determine patterns for anything, not just roulette, you need properly defined references, and variables for your equations. The past few spins is a very weak reference and set of variables unless you have other data to go with it.

[Priyanka]

Knowing a dozen will repeat within 4 spins excluding zeros cannot help us win

Completely agree with you.

[falkor2k15]

Guys, as Pri has said before: Non-Random doesn't work out of the box - but it's the essential pre-requisite for beating the game!

So what's so good about a dozen repeat in 4 spins (excluding 0)? Well it helps us construct the first side of the cage - or a better analogy would be a 2D cage ahead of a 3D cage:


You see the cages above? They are 5 bars wide... forming how many vertical spaces between the bars?

[Steve]

Falkor i disagree.

Without birds in the cage, you won't know the breed and food you'll need. Even if you had birds, they would be squished in a 2d cage. You need to start 3d.

[falkor2k15]

Falkor i disagree.

Without birds in the cage, you won't know the breed and food you'll need. Even if you had birds, they would be squished in a 2d cage. You need to start 3d.

You miss the point... how wide are the cages and how much space have they got to move about?

[Steve]

I think you miss the point. The bird can fly in and out of the cage and doesn't give a crap what anyone thinks it should be able to do.

[falkor2k15]

No no no! We have to trap them inside the cage with limited space to maneuver..