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[praline]

Interesting quote...


It is better to remain silent at the risk of being thought a fool, than to talk and remove all doubt of it.
Maurice Switzer

Very interesting article, for those interested to find the truth...
link:://quoteinvestigator.com/2010/05/17/remain-silent/

[falkor2k15]

Maestro - sorry didn't quite get the question.
May be may be not. I have not been able to work a money management with progressions better than flat bets so far.

OK, so maybe progressions don't help then... but if we are expecting more edge from one bet over another then we might consider increasing our units proportionately to the new calculated odds?

And what about the 1-1-2 approach that you used for VdW with ECs?

[Priyanka]

but if we are expecting more edge from one bet over another then we might consider increasing our units proportionately to the new calculated odds?

In theory sounds good and works something like a progression where you always put in a percentage of your bankroll depending on the odds.

But am not sure whether it works that way in roulette. The odds of the next spin always remains the same irrespective of what happened in the past.

Between, this progression failed miserably unless you are able to find one number that will definitely appear in 36 spins. Hmm... that age old question.

[maestro]

Between, this progression failed miserably unless you are able to find one number that will definitely appear in 36 spins. Hmm... that age old question.

yeah this good old 1 number, i used to try it one noumber,say under conditions of a repeat say repeat happen between 2 and 23 or so spins in that window i pick one number and when repeat happen and does not hit i switch with diff number from next window..but was not much of joy either...sometimes you hit sometimes you dont as i was thinking that probability to pick that namber should vary to max 1/23 but was not the case...

[Priyanka]

Actually this is a bit better than one number. If you are able to get 1 or 2 hits in the surrounding numbers or same sectors early on it gives a cushion.  So unless you have chosen a sector that behaves a bit bad than expectation you are actually pretty good here. But yeah, that one number will shoot a bit more. I will try to test more on sectors and online casinos to see how this fares.

[maestro]

dont get me wrong but i think in roulete as long as we deal with probability we are not safe...last few days i have read few articles on random and i think that field is soooo big that number here and there does not change how sample looks but will make player lose..

[Priyanka]

dont get me wrong but i think in roulete as long as we deal with probability we are not safe...last few days i have read few articles on random and i think that field is soooo big that number here and there does not change how sample looks but will make player lose..

I tend to agree with you.

However, Turbo and denzie has a point on random. As long as it is random, you will not see 37 different numbers or same number in 37 spins. So that leads to things that will repeat. So the same probability gives us ways to look things better than looking just the next spin.

What do you think of that?

[maestro]

agree if you look as bunch of spins but still some bunches will have repeats and player will do good but some will get not enough and player will sink down(depends how picture of galton board looks like...flater or sharper) i guess is where progression comes in play but then again is probability...any finite event you can think of if is to be used in roulette always will come to 0 gain if not "-" for player and thats bad..i always thought that might be some smalll window we can sneak in but so far things are not pointing to that

[falkor2k15]

maestro, you mentioned "finite"... I think this is referring to the limits of a Non-Random event(?), but what did Priyanka mean by "short" in terms of elements of play when he described "short and finite" together?

[maestro]

what i meant by finite is say in given amount of spin event happens..no matter what

[maestro]

say we bet event  and in 10000 spins this event happens with prob 1/37..problem is when we chase that event to happen roulette will not give you only one number to bet on will be 2,3,or more so even we bet for probability 1/37 to happen we are forced to bet more numbers no matter that actual event when it happens is caused only by 1 number hitting..thats what i test so far...so i did not like the picture

[falkor2k15]

what i meant by finite is say in given amount of spin event happens..no matter what

Yep - same definition as what I stated - so the only mystery remaining is what "short" means exactly?

[maestro]

you got it wrong as say VDW AP IS finite set but still give dual choice to bet and dead lock so you are left on probability..means AP will happen but does not mean you will profit of it

[falkor2k15]

you got it wrong as say VDW AP IS finite set but still give dual choice to bet and dead lock so you are left on probability..means AP will happen but does not mean you will profit of it

AP must happen in 9 spins so is finite. A repeat must happen just like an AP event - both are finite - and both will not give profit out of the box. Finite is not a question of profit - but simply a statement about the limits of non-random events like APs and repeats. So what exactly did I get wrong then - or are you too proud to give credit/acknowledgement where due?

[maestro]

Finite is not a question of profit

.....yes but roulette is...and igive credits to my brain only...like it or not