The Non-Random Master Strategy

[falkor2k15]

I only play the first two bets from vdw....if lose first one i play second.  after that i wait for it to finish 9 to start up or reset after a win.


RayManz, your saying to wait for first Loss then start playing.  If a W then reset.  hmmmmm I can see that working

Falkor, is that what you tested it?

4939	41%	LW
2242	19%	L
2277	19%	LL
1312	11%	LLW
585	5%	LLL
379	3%	LLLW
370	3%	LLLL
12104

[falkor2k15]

4939	41%	LW
2242	19%	L ----> 81% opposite
4923	41%	LL*

[MoneyT101]

im not sure how you got 81% i tested by hand and stayed 50/50 just playing second bet for a L

[MoneyT101]

Ok...im starting to see something 70%^

[falkor2k15]

Ok...im starting to see something 70%^

Where are you seeing 70%!?

[falkor2k15]

I doubt a really simple solution exists:

AP 1: 1,2,3...
5917	49%	W
3051	25%	LW
1493	12%	LL
767	6%	LLW
399	3%	LLL
189	2%	LLLW
185	2%	LLLL
12001
AP 2: 2,3,4…
3012	50%	W
1506	25%	L
756	13%	LW
354	6%	LLW
190	3%	LLLW
185	3%	LLLL
6003
AP 8: 1,3,5…
1466	49%	W
768	26%	LW
397	13%	LL
191	6%	LLW
186	6%	LLL
3008
AP 3+8: 1,3,5 + 3,4,5…
1483	50%	W
736	25%	L
364	12%	LW
387	13%	LL
2970

[falkor2k15]

1	5917
2	4518
1 3	2313
3+8	2219
1 > 9	1472
8	1466
8 > 4+9	1165
1 > 4+9 10	767
1 > 4+9	759
2 > 4	756
3+8 > 10	751
1 > 3 > 5	399
8 > 4+9 > 12	377
2 > 4 > 10 > 6	375
1 > 3 > 5 > 12	374
2 > 4 > 10	354

[falkor2k15]

Let's allow them to fight it out...

1	5917		2	4518		3+8	2219		8	1466
1 > 3	2313		2 > 4	756		3+8 > 10	751		8 > 4+9	1165
1 > 9	1472		2 > 4 > 10 > 6	375					8 > 4+9 > 12	377
1 > 4+9 > 10	767		2 > 4 > 10	354
1 > 4+9	759
1 > 3 > 5	399
1 > 3 > 5 > 12	374

[maestro]

sound like you...

[Still]

I'VE SOLVED IT!!!! It was staring me in the face all along... uses one of Priyanka's other main concepts. It's even compatible with the multiple AP solution, which also uses that concept - yet I never thought about applying it to the single AP method. Together they should result in nice edge! In fact, this is very similar to the complex methods I discovered - but in microcosm.   

This would be where I leave for six months and come back to find out if anything of value was actually shared.  Meanwhile, I refuse to ask any questions about this, never expecting a straight answer, so, it's over to the off-topic section to talk about reality.

[stringbeanpc]

If I understand VdW correctly,

The first spin that an arithmatic progression(AP) can occur is spin 3 from 123

The first spin that a deadlock can occur is on spin 7
this deadlock will occur when there is a conflict between any of these AP's

567 AP difference of 1
357 AP difference of 2
147 AP difference of 3

I remember Priyanka saying that when a deadlock occurs, she does NOT bet and accepts the set as a Loss

Therefore in the Lose Win Sequence provided by Priyanka

W â€" 256 times
L â€" 48 times
LW â€" 104 times
LL â€" 32 times
LLW â€" 36 times
LLL â€" 16 times
LLLW â€" 10 times
LLLL â€" 10 times

is a deadlock counted as a Loss because you do NOT bet ?

or

is a deadlock counted as a Win  because you know that either Red or Black has to win, and complete the AP ?

may seem like a stupid question by me, but how do each of you handle this in the Priyanka's LW sequence

[stringbeanpc]

One more question

What does this mean ?

L â€" 48 times

If every set of 9 spins has to have at least 1 AP, which could be of any length(1,2,3 or 4) why do we have 48 (out of 512 sets) with 1 Loss ?

Maybe I am misunderstanding something about VdW.

Thanks to whomever can answer my questions in this post and my previous post.

[RayManZ]

I believe it's counted as a win because one AP has to win in 9 spins.

[falkor2k15]

If I understand VdW correctly,

The first spin that an arithmatic progression(AP) can occur is spin 3 from 123

The first spin that a deadlock can occur is on spin 7
this deadlock will occur when there is a conflict between any of these AP's

567 AP difference of 1
357 AP difference of 2
147 AP difference of 3

I remember Priyanka saying that when a deadlock occurs, she does NOT bet and accepts the set as a Loss

Therefore in the Lose Win Sequence provided by Priyanka

W â€" 256 times
L â€" 48 times
LW â€" 104 times
LL â€" 32 times
LLW â€" 36 times
LLL â€" 16 times
LLLW â€" 10 times
LLLL â€" 10 times

is a deadlock counted as a Loss because you do NOT bet ?

or

is a deadlock counted as a Win  because you know that either Red or Black has to win, and complete the AP ?

may seem like a stupid question by me, but how do each of you handle this in the Priyanka's LW sequence

This VdW problem is more interesting than I thought. I am going to upgrade my simulator VdW sometime soon, but this week is a bit difficult for me; the upgrade will take into account additional stats about:
1) Clash combo/spin #
2) Actual AP that forms after a clash situation
3) Betting for an AP situation to occur/spin #
4) Betting opposite

It seems that each individual AP type (including combos of them) have different stats over different datasets - so I need to test if they perform stable/constant under certain scenarios. In other words, APs tend to have more characteristics than, say, a standard repeat - but together the various AP types always seem to arrive at that 50/50. In terms of any AP (type notwithstanding) it would be even more tricky to tilt the WL combos towards more wins - so I think the spin # and the rest of the stats to be tested might help find a solution there. A deadlock could count as a win if - instead of betting for an AP to complete - we bet prior for an AP situation to occur.

[falkor2k15]

One more question

What does this mean ?

L â€" 48 times

If every set of 9 spins has to have at least 1 AP, which could be of any length(1,2,3 or 4) why do we have 48 (out of 512 sets) with 1 Loss ?

Maybe I am misunderstanding something about VdW.

Thanks to whomever can answer my questions in this post and my previous post.

It means the clash comes without any prior potential APs forming up to the point. Again, it's worth mentioning that APs occur in several stages:
Spins #1-2: AP situation can form
Spin #2: Potential AP for next spin, including possible clash
Spin #3: AP formed
Spin #4+: Other APs can form.

Of course the above is only for a 1,2,3 AP type, and it also applies more to consecutive APs instead of Non-consecutive. If occurring near the end of the 9 spins then there may no opportunity for additional APs (stage 4). Also, for stage 1 there can be overlap between setting up multiple APs.