Funny Sequences

[praline]

When I started the random thoughts topic, the only intention was exploring non-random concepts and seeing whether we can get playable opportunities from these concepts. It turned into a discussion which I didn’t intend to and didn’t want to. Partly because of my tone of the discussion changed unintentionally and partly because of some unintentional assumptions made by certain readers. But Scarface summarised it wonderfully at the end and love that summary.

One thing that came up again and again was there is no thing called a sequence of numbers appearing more than another set of sequences. I realised that we never discussed sequences in that thread, very clear from the summary from Scarface. So why not we discuss about sequences in this thread. No, am not claiming there is a sequence that comes more frequent than others, but wanted to see if there are any anamolies if at all is there.

To start with I picked up a set of numbers and grouped them into sequences of two even chances high and low like below:

Spins â€" 19, 25, 11, 3, 5, 1, 19, 16, 3, 27, 15, 32, 11, 20, 6, 2, 31
HL sequence â€" HH, HL, LL, LL, LL, LH, HL, LL, LH, HL, LH, HL, LH, HL, LL, LH

And then I counted them
HH â€" 1, LL â€" 5, LH â€" 5, HL â€" 5

Then I ran this experiment again and again and again.  Results of 10 such runs are below.  Then I noticed a peculiar thing.


Hmm! Then I ran the same experiment for 5000 spins for 5 times and looked at the results. I still noticed the same peculiar thing. Do you see what I am seeing in the stats of opposites (HL and LH)? What do you think?

Any thoughts on this, insteeD???

[Blood Angel]

Now that IS interesting!

[sugtips]

Hmm! Then I ran the same experiment for 5000 spins for 5 times and looked at the results. I still noticed the same peculiar thing. Do you see what I am seeing in the stats of opposites (HL and LH)? What do you think?

Priyanka many many thanks for all your contributions. I like you equally I like Priyanka Chopra, btw I am also.... Love pani puri.

Anyway back to topic.

If we see these stats as percentage-wise.
So we are getting around 50% on ECs.

Now another thing, let's suppose we are targeting 17 spins like ur example, and we wait for any starting 2 seqs not to be HL or LH, then remaining 14 seqs, we know in advance that HL & LH percentage to appear is greater then HH & LL. Also if we are playing at en-prison rule table. Lot of opportunities can be found here.

How do you see? Am I right?

[maestro]

You're very smart, i see. All those tips from Priyanka

you are wrong...i was born smart,no hints smarten me...

[ozon]

To see if this bet selection is stable, you would have to specify the deviation limits as they are very stable. In longrun if we do not have the let say -140 units flat bet from the highest point, we can use such a very gentle progression.

Only theoretically, I have an idea for a very long progressions designed for bot and RNG.
We use these steps of progression, but in this way, raise the stakes after 20units down from the highest point of the bankroll, or say if the 20 losing bets from the top rise in steps
1
2
3
5
8
12
18
This is 980 units, and the must-140 lost bets from highest point to lose.
Sometimes you need thousands of spins to reach new high. But this is just a theory

[praline]

Now another thing, let's suppose we are targeting 17 spins like ur example, and we wait for any starting 2 seqs not to be HL or LH, then remaining 14 seqs, we know in advance that HL & LH percentage to appear is greater then HH & LL.

I'm affraid that you can't have a string of just HH and LL, you can't  Pass from HH to LL without having HL in the middle.
Also the HL LH percentage is not greater then HH LL, it follows normal variance. The only thing we can say for sure is that HL and LH will be equal, but only if you consider the last spin as the start for your new sequence ( 22,5,36 = HL, LH).
I think we can try to use cycles and see if there is an evident imbalance in terms of cycle lenghts and defining element.
But surely, no progression and no static bets.

[falkor2k15]

I think new concepts would be needed for this approach as per P.A's topic - not just light progression.

praline raises some very important points and ideas for incorporating Non-Random.

[falkor2k15]

Yeah, it is always 0 or 1 even if you run millions and millions of spins. Its never any different or more than 1. As opposed to invidividual spins which can vary largely. This I believe stems from the way we have constructed the High and low sequences by making each of the sequence that is coming out dependent on the way previous sequence has turned out.

Priyanka, is this by any chance the "magical relationship" that you and reddwarf referred to?

[RouletteGhost]

What happens if we combine "friends"
With php

Do we have a party?

[praline]

What happens if we combine "friends"
With php

Do we have a party?

What a funny guy.. LoL

[praline]

By the way...
Theorem of friends and stranger is based on the pigeonhole principle

[bobby]

Ok, that's interesting.

For kicks I took a 30k live wheel spins from a 0,00 table and removed the green from the equation just to look at these couplets.

I didn't allow any overlap so they were completely independent of each other.

For example..



and here are my results.



I was cracking up when I saw the final results, so I charted it over time to see the variance... Here...



I then looked at the max and min of the difference of HL to LH and I got a max of 82 & min of -52...

Hope this helps.

[Malvador]

Seems like most people have forgot one of Priyanka's most important teaching. Its in the first few pages of random thoughts... Anyway...

The problem I am having is figuring out the riddle - I know the RIGHT question, but dont know how to answer it!!!

Priyanka please could you kindly shed some light on one of your early topics for me. I know that there are multiple playing positions and hence there are also multiple cycles. How does one know how to combine the stats of a cycle to provide an imbalance? Even more Specifically how does one know WHEN to enter the additional stream and importantly does one ever exit the base stream?

Using a radio as an analogy, how do you know what the frequency is for a particular radio station? Is it just trial and error?
Futhermore is there a particular frequency that gives you the best "SOUND QUALITY" (Just a thought)


I hope this makes sense as i'm trying to be careful not to tread on your toes.
Kindest Regards

[Scarface]

When I started the random thoughts topic, the only intention was exploring non-random concepts and seeing whether we can get playable opportunities from these concepts. It turned into a discussion which I didn’t intend to and didn’t want to. Partly because of my tone of the discussion changed unintentionally and partly because of some unintentional assumptions made by certain readers. But Scarface summarised it wonderfully at the end and love that summary.

One thing that came up again and again was there is no thing called a sequence of numbers appearing more than another set of sequences. I realised that we never discussed sequences in that thread, very clear from the summary from Scarface. So why not we discuss about sequences in this thread. No, am not claiming there is a sequence that comes more frequent than others, but wanted to see if there are any anamolies if at all is there.

To start with I picked up a set of numbers and grouped them into sequences of two even chances high and low like below:

Spins â€" 19, 25, 11, 3, 5, 1, 19, 16, 3, 27, 15, 32, 11, 20, 6, 2, 31
HL sequence â€" HH, HL, LL, LL, LL, LH, HL, LL, LH, HL, LH, HL, LH, HL, LL, LH

And then I counted them
HH â€" 1, LL â€" 5, LH â€" 5, HL â€" 5

Then I ran this experiment again and again and again.  Results of 10 such runs are below.  Then I noticed a peculiar thing.


Hmm! Then I ran the same experiment for 5000 spins for 5 times and looked at the results. I still noticed the same peculiar thing. Do you see what I am seeing in the stats of opposites (HL and LH)? What do you think?

The way you record the sequences by using the last spin as if it were a new spin, makes it confusing.  Just as Praline stated, if you actually recorded the sequences based on the results it would be:  HH, LL, LL, HL, LH, LH, LH, LL, H.  The way you record them, LH and HL will have no choice but to be equal.  Its like saying RED must always follow BLACK....of course the problem is there can be alot of BLACKS before that RED shows up.   

[DoctorSudoku]

The way you record the sequences by using the last spin as if it were a new spin, makes it confusing.  Just as Praline stated, if you actually recorded the sequences based on the results it would be:  HH, LL, LL, HL, LH, LH, LH, LL, H.  The way you record them, LH and HL will have no choice but to be equal.  Its like saying RED must always follow BLACK....of course the problem is there can be alot of BLACKS before that RED shows up.   

Scarface,
I was also thinking the same thing that recording the sequences by using the last spin of the previous sequence as the first spin of the next sequence leads to HL and LH being equal.

Your analogy of Red always following Black is great!