VdW

[Malvador]

Thankyou all for your replys... Very appreciative to all of you...

Do all losing (LLLL) APS start with RB or BR
If so maybe we just just a AP chase only when we get RR or BB at the start?

[Priyanka]

If so maybe we just just a AP chase only when we get RR or BB at the start?

Malvador - It is very balanced whichever way you take as it is 50:50. If only there is a way to tilt this balance, we will be able to find a winning proposal using VDW. I dont know of any. Look at the following example of LLLL which starts with RR.

RRBBRRBB

[falkor2k15]

Thankyou all for your replys... Very appreciative to all of you...

Do all losing (LLLL) APS start with RB or BR
If so maybe we just just a AP chase only when we get RR or BB at the start?

There are two types of starting conditions - both 50/50. Cannot beat VdW thinking along these lines... need more radical thinking.

[winkel]

Malvador - It is very balanced whichever way you take as it is 50:50. If only there is a way to tilt this balance, we will be able to find a winning proposal using VDW. I dont know of any.

It is quite easy Priyanka.

First:
There are 16 possible APs.
10 of them end with 2 possible results. All these Aps are longer than 6 spins!

So bet only the APs 123 234 135 345 246 456.
If you bet one of those and it lost, stop and start again.

Use the Power Martingale 1 3 7 15 31. These 5 Steps will meet at least 1 Winner AP.
And it breaks the 50:50 because you will win 1 unit per bet, not only 1 unit per attack!

Second:

Don´t use EC´s to bet. Use LW. You will see, you can transfer almost every betselection to VdW.

e.g.: You bet EC. choose HL. Your virtual betresults are LWLW.. You expect a L on attack!
next AP you had results  HLHL in spins. Normal VdW tells you to bet on H in spins. Attack-AP tells you you will Lose. So bet on Low instead!

[RouletteGhost]

How does vdw give you a hint on what to bet. Can this be explained

I'd like to know how it's done which is why I started the thread

[falkor2k15]

winkel, thanks for posting your method, but can you kill the wheel without the secondary VdW stream overlaid on the primary VdW stream - just the basic VdW stream used on ECs: betting for APs or against APs?

[Scarface]

Can you please tell us "the concept" in a simple way to understand. thanks a lot.

Look at the first 3 post in Random Thoughts by Priyanka.  It is explained in very simple way....better than I probably could explain it 

[3Nine]

It is quite easy Priyanka.

First:
There are 16 possible APs.
10 of them end with 2 possible results. All these Aps are longer than 6 spins!

So bet only the APs 123 234 135 345 246 456.
If you bet one of those and it lost, stop and start again.

Use the Power Martingale 1 3 7 15 31. These 5 Steps will meet at least 1 Winner AP.
And it breaks the 50:50 because you will win 1 unit per bet, not only 1 unit per attack!

Second:

Don´t use EC´s to bet. Use LW. You will see, you can transfer almost every betselection to VdW.

e.g.: You bet EC. choose HL. Your virtual betresults are LWLW.. You expect a L on attack!
next AP you had results  HLHL in spins. Normal VdW tells you to bet on H in spins. Attack-AP tells you you will Lose. So bet on Low instead!

Thanks, winkel.  Will try this with Craps!

[Priyanka]

It is quite easy Priyank

Sehr gut and danke schoen Herr Winkel. First one i understand. Will try out.

Second one is a bit difficult to grasp. Whether I do LW or based on any even chance it is ultimately a 50:50 bet right. A bit confusing.

How does vdw give you a hint on what to bet. Can this be explained

RG - the way I was trying to exploit it was there is a certainty of one AP getting formed. So I was try to play for that win. Unfortunately it doesn't work because of the mutual bet as Nick calls it. However nick has outlined some statistic anamolies which can help you win.  Also winkel has outlined a way to play. Will need to try out. Are these kind of plays that you were looking for when you asked that question

[RouletteGhost]

Thanks priyanka

That's what I was thinking

Vdw is a legitimate mathematical "thing" but applying it to roulette may not make too much sense because we do not know where the arithmetic progression will form

It's still random

[Malvador]

Thanks for your replies.... Esp Winkel... Great ideas and cant wait to test them,

Would betting two streams to form an AP on different ECs starting from 1st spin on EC (A) and the 3rd spin on EC (B) work ?

[RouletteGhost]

It is quite easy Priyanka.

First:
There are 16 possible APs.
10 of them end with 2 possible results. All these Aps are longer than 6 spins!

So bet only the APs 123 234 135 345 246 456.
If you bet one of those and it lost, stop and start again.

Use the Power Martingale 1 3 7 15 31. These 5 Steps will meet at least 1 Winner AP.
And it breaks the 50:50 because you will win 1 unit per bet, not only 1 unit per attack!

Second:

Don´t use EC´s to bet. Use LW. You will see, you can transfer almost every betselection to VdW.

e.g.: You bet EC. choose HL. Your virtual betresults are LWLW.. You expect a L on attack!
next AP you had results  HLHL in spins. Normal VdW tells you to bet on H in spins. Attack-AP tells you you will Lose. So bet on Low instead!

Can someone explain this

[maestro]

in other words 60% of the time you will get AP on spins 4,5,6 if i remember right

[RouletteGhost]

Meaning 456 will be the same or an AP will form on one of those?

[maestro]

will form either on 4,5,or 6th spin