best way to attack this system (how to master this) ?

[Kattila]

All you are actually doing is reverse engineering this set

Which is fine for testing purposes

Then take that progression from reverse engineering and see if it works on other sets

I mean we reverse engineered the Roswell UFO according to astronaut Edgar Mitchell and look what that got us, fiber optics.

RG,
It s not reverse engineered , i use  that kind of progressions and LW strategys for many years now. And yes the author should test
this with other sets of LW maybe works on most. Anyway i find  22  numbers to many numbers to bet....

[kingmaq]

Well, this kind of progression +/-1 seems not to work ( if you want to bet on every spin)

Yesterday I tested it virtually, it performs bad especially when the L/W alternates.

I still believe the best way is to wait for a trigger ( two or three L) and then start.

[kingmaq]

Kingmaq,
I agree with Kattila -- given your 7 losses in a row problem and your table limits, a +1 on a win  / -1 on a loss quasi-positive progression would be more appropriate for your bet selection method. Martingale-type progressions are a killer here.

I have a question, how far do you go with this progression ? In other words when you reset your sequence ? Once when you are ahead ? Or you scale up further

[DoctorSudoku]

Well, this kind of progression +/-1 seems not to work ( if you want to bet on every spin)

Yesterday I tested it virtually, it performs bad especially when the L/W alternates.

I still believe the best way is to wait for a trigger ( two or three L) and then start.

Kingmaq,
Empirical evidence is the final arbiter in this context. So if, as per your records, the LWs are alternating quite frequently, then +1/-1 may not be the best option.

I am a big fan of hit-and-run playing, so I am a big advocate of triggers, in general. Do more testing and see if a trigger of 2-3 Ls improves the situation or not.

And, in terms of how long a progression you should employ, my philosophy is to stick with a short 2 steps (max) negative progressions.

There are a lot of individuals on this forum who will vehemently disagree with me on that last point -- they are comfortable with much longer negative progressions, so I am in the distinct minority regarding that.

[kingmaq]

I do not agree with those who said that there might be more than 7 Loses (L) in a row, here the evidence..

Results are from live-dealer roulette (approx 5000 spins):

I have 3 combi of numbers ( the selection of the combination before bet is based on some certain conditions )

SEQUENCE_LENGTH   COUNT
-------------------------    ----------
              5                     1
              4                     2
              3                    44
              2                    271
              1                    1397

SEQUENCE_LENGTH   COUNT
-------------------------    ----------
              4                    2
              3                   45
              2                   264
              1                  1383

SEQUENCE_LENGTH   COUNT
-------------------------    ----------
              4                   4
              3                  41
              2                  278
              1                 1404


How to interpret the data?

easy, the sequence_length means for how many consecutive spins (in a row) none number of the combi didnt show up and the count means how many times that happend in the sampling data.

Maximum was 5 consecutie times, all numbers of the first combi slept for 5 consecutive spins.

[MoneyT101]

I need you to find a way to test the theory I mentioned tho because that the real killer

5 to 7 losses

Followed by 1 to 3 wins

Followed by 5 to 7 losses

Followed by 1-3 wins

Followed by 5 to 7 losses

If it's not more then 7 and your positive then you can do definitely come up with a good progression.. when I have some time I will think of some

But so far the +1 on a loss seem to be safe

You can also do 4 losses and then the light martingale like someone recommended

[kingmaq]

I agree, waiting for a serie of L (it depends on the bankrol but recommended is at least 3) and then start betting seeems the best way...

Obviously the time is a point, another point is the wasting of opportunities to make money by exploiting the frequent W streaks.

or do you have another way to handle this better?

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[MoneyT101]

Maybe instead of betting straights, the groups will be better and easier to handle the losses and come up with a betting plan

[MoneyT101]

111x14= 1554
72x 22 = 1584

Down 30... that's over 2 wins

Try going up 1 on a win for two consecutives then reset

On a lose after 4 go up 2 on each loss until a win

Test that

[kingmaq]

On a lose after 4 go up 2 on each loss until a win

I will test your progression virtually and get back, however don't you think  that the Fibonacci progression (1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34, 55, 89, 144)
might be here successful?  144 is the max as the table limit is 150 on straight number.

maybe one can smartly use the Fibonacci as a positive progression (on a lose you go left and on a win you scale up but not too far!! )

[MoneyT101]

Test both against a 3 sets

[kingmaq]

Here is a simulation (using a positive fashioned fibonacci progression), despite the Ups and Downs the end result is promising, i set a reset counter (+50 $).
once i am up +50 $ i start over again... it was at some points challenging, maybe reducing the reset counter to +20 or +30 makes the progression less challenging -;)


Progression 1    1     2    3      5         8     13     21    34      55     89   144
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Total            22   22  44   66   110   176   286   462   748  1210 1958 3168
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Profit           14   14  28   42   70    112   182   294   476  770   1246 2016

w   +14
w   +14
l   -22
l   -22
l   -22
w   +14
w   +14
w   +28
w   +42 -- Here Reset (Reset Counter >=50 $)
l   -22
l   -22
l   -22
w   +14
w   +28
w   +42
w   +70  -- Here Reset (Reset Counter >=50 $)
w   +14
w   +14
w   +28  -- Here Reset (Reset Counter >=50 $)
w   +14
l   -22
w   +14
l   -22
w   +14
l   -22
w   +14
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w   +28
l   -66
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w   +14
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w   +28
w   +42
w   +70
l   -176
w   +70
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l   -110
w   +42
l   -110
l   -66
w   +28
w   +42
l   -110
l   -66
l   -44
w   +14
l   -44
l   -22
w   +14
l   -22
w   +14
w   +14
w   +28
w   +42
w   +70
w   +112
l   -286
w   +112
w   +182
w   +294
w   +476  -- Here Reset (Reset Counter >=50 $)
w   +14 
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w   +28
l   -66
w   +28
l   -66
w   +28
w   +42
l   -110
w   +42
l   -110
w   +42
w   +70
w   +112 -- Here Reset (Reset Counter >=50 $)
l   +14
l   -22
w   +14
l   -22
w   +14
l   -22
l   -22
w   +14
l   -22
w   +14
w   +14
w   +28
w   +42
w   +70 -- Here Reset (Reset Counter >=50 $)
w   +14
l   -22
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l   -22
w   +14
w   +14
l   -66
w   +14
w   +14
w   +42
l     -110
w   +42
w   +70
w   +112 -- Here Reset (Reset Counter >=50 $)
l   -22
w   -22
w   +14
w   +14
w   +42   
l   -110
w   +42
w   +70
w   +112 -- Here Reset (Reset Counter >=50 $)
w   +14
l   -22
w   +14
w   +14
w   +28
w   +42 -- Here Reset (Reset Counter >=50 $)
l   -22
w   +14
w   +14
l   -44
l   +14
w   +28
l   -66
w   +28
l   -66
w   +28
l   -66
w   +28
l   -66
l   -44
w   +14
l   -44
w   +14
l   -44
l   +14
l   -44
w   +14
l   -44
w   +14
l   -44
w   +14
w   +28
l   -66
l   +28
w   +42
l   -110
w   +42
l   -110
l   -66
w   +28
l   -66
w   +28
w   +42
w   +70
l   -176
w   +70
w   +112
l   -286
w   +112
l   -286
l   -176
w   +70
l   -176
w   +70
w   +112
w   +182
w   +294
w   +476
l   -1210
w   +476
l   -1210
w   +476
w   +770
w   +1246 -- Here Reset (Reset Counter >=50 $)
l   -22
w   +14
w   +14

[nottophammer]

From experiance, take the earliest profit, if it means taking many so be it, you should avoid going on long steps

[MoneyT101]

i dont like the numbers fluctuating so much

[SimonZed1]

I will suggest you, if I can, to read John Solitude's Roulette Wheel Frequency Analysis. It won't make you rich, but it surely help to understand what's going on.

That is one amazing book! I read both of them. Very interesting stuff....

Simon.