Lets try again

[wiggy]

Agree with RRBB and it's something I have always thought myself. Why would anyone want to play roulette (or any game for that matter) the way the casino/game operators would like you to play. It's a guaranteed sucker bet.

[rrbb]

Antibets, bets, i do not know. This to me all seems like betting on event (spins).

Whenever you play the waiting game you loose...

How i know? Just read the post on the rouletteforum, whatever forum.

Play the waiting game and you loose...

what about "processes"? They also do happen right? They are continues.  What are (could be) processes related to roulette?(please do not start about table and prng, so irrelevant, so beneath the point...)

Great evening, or night, or morning (wow how relative things are)

[MoneyT101]

what about "processes"? They also do happen right? They are continues.  What are (could be) processes related to roulette?(please do not start about table and prng, so irrelevant, so beneath the point...)

Can you give more detail on what you mean by the word 'processes'? 

[rrbb]

Actually: no, i won't. Google it! Play with it! Can the events be a result if underlying processes???

This might all be b@*shâ,¬t. You decide.

[MoneyT101]

Can the events be a result if underlying processes???

Im just trying to have a better understanding how you are using the word and what it means to you in the sentence. 

process- 1. a series of actions that you take in order to achieve a result
             2.a series of actions or steps taken in order to achieve a particular end

Your saying that roulette itself is using a series of steps in order to achieve a result. 

If this is the case then your saying that roulette in general is not random and the game is choosing the numbers based on some past  event.   

Is this what you are saying?  Or am i using the word process different from the point you are trying to make?

[rrbb]

Hi moneyT,

That is not what i mean. Usually we focus on events: things that happen like spins. And yes, repeats.

The question is, can we define (find, think of, construct), something that happens continuesly?

Roulette is random, no discussion about that. But as priyanka so nicely showed, depending on the view, we can find some non-randomness.

What i would like to propose: get rid of thinking about discrete events. Discrete events force us in the waiting mode...

[Still]

This might all be b@*shâ,¬t. You decide.

Before I decide, would you be willing to play on Steve's local process long enough to show an extraordinary win rate?

[3Nine]

Before I decide, would you be willing to play on Steve's local process long enough to show an extraordinary win rate?

Haven't we been down that road already?

[rrbb]

Before I decide, would you be willing to play on Steve's local process long enough to show an extraordinary win rate?

No. So why should the checking of a statement that can be checked be conditional on something else? And for the record. I do not trust Steve, so no.

[Still]

No. So why should the checking of a statement that can be checked be conditional on something else? And for the record. I do not trust Steve, so no.

I would like to know which unique statement you've made (one that hasn't been made many times before here) can be checked yes or no on face value. 

Let's talk about why trust in Steve would be important in regards taking a little time to post an extraordinary win rate as did Priyanka. 

Is it because Steve might record bets, and, may be able to decipher what is your process based on those bets?

If so, then only Steve could answer that, and so, i invite Steve to comment. 

My understanding of the multiplayer was largely so that people who make extraordinary statements can show extraordinary results. Having done so, they can then come in and teach without being called out for baiting the forum with interesting, but empty tidbits.  But i might misunderstand the purpose of Steve's game.

[nottophammer]

But steve made it harder to bet the starting larger group, like the casino, he/they don't like large spread of #'s, not betting 2 doz on outside there you are trapped, but 24 non-hit from the starting 37#'s is s different ball game, so to stop this he cut the bet time by 15 seconds, now that is a lot of time that would do so much damage.
Example of a casino.
Aspers, why Aspers because they have got all touchscreen players playing just one wheel with 40 sec spin time, before on touchscreen you could bet the live tables, but at night when gets busy, spin times take longer so large spreads could be placed on mat. But no more all the mugs now play a wheel high up on a podium where you can just about see the wheel if tall enough, otherwise its down to the old monitor on the wall like smartlive, it might be a video feed.

[rrbb]

I would like to know which unique statement you've made (one that hasn't been made many times before here) can be checked yes or no on face value. 

Let's talk about why trust in Steve would be important in regards taking a little time to post an extraordinary win rate as did Priyanka. 

Is it because Steve might record bets, and, may be able to decipher what is your process based on those bets?

If so, then only Steve could answer that, and so, i invite Steve to comment. 

My understanding of the multiplayer was largely so that people who make extraordinary statements can show extraordinary results. Having done so, they can then come in and teach without being called out for baiting the forum with interesting, but empty tidbits.  But i might misunderstand the purpose of Steve's game.

Did I ever say unique statement? Neither did I state my statements are extraordinary. And No, I'm not going to discuss my feelings for Steve. Why not: first of all he facilitates this discussion which I totally respect. Secondly my inner thoughts are mine and mine alone and not open for debate.

I do understand your mistrust. However, could it just be that instead of using our reasoning powers would have protected us from our disappointment? Whom do you mistrust? People with extraordinary statements, or your own power of assessment (sorry, could not find the word I was looking for: not a native speaker)

I do not ask you to trust me, as far as I know I have stated falsifiable statements, just proof me wrong or right: I actually do not care. Do not expect me to hold your hand and guide you through it. It is therefor my believe that I do not have to convince you or anyone.

[MoneyT101]

Hi moneyT,

That is not what i mean. Usually we focus on events: things that happen like spins. And yes, repeats.

The question is, can we define (find, think of, construct), something that happens continuesly?

Roulette is random, no discussion about that. But as priyanka so nicely showed, depending on the view, we can find some non-randomness.

What i would like to propose: get rid of thinking about discrete events. Discrete events force us in the waiting mode...

1.The singles and series for the EC are constantly changing(going back and forth)
2.Straight from last spin will be different from next spin straight more then 99%

Only continuous thing i can think of......

I know some people are not posting because they dont want to look dumb.  so if anyone has ideas you can pm and i will post for you!

Anyone else have any ideas?  please post or pm me and ill post 

[MoneyT101]

Suggest continuity: all outcomes that are not equally-likely must eventually recover and catch up based on maths expectation.
And the process: we are betting on more wins than losses.

[rrbb]

1.The singles and series for the EC are constantly changing(going back and forth)
2.Straight from last spin will be different from next spin straight more then 99%

Only continuous thing i can think of......

I know some people are not posting because they dont want to look dumb.  so if anyone has ideas you can pm and i will post for you!

Anyone else have any ideas?  please post or pm me and ill post 

Hi N2H this is great thanks!  I truly hope that people are not afraid of appearing dumb. Better post and have discussion etc than not posting and not having discussion