Lets try again

[praline]

Some discussions may riune the hard work made by others. Or can lead to new thoughts.
Who knows...

[Nickmsi]

Here’s a thought. 

What if the process is the generation of numbers themselves, either by the wheel or RNG.

What will we encounter during this process, perhaps some further processes, like a branching process for repeaters, a non-hit branch, a Standard Deviation branch, etc.

All of these branching processes will occur during the process of generating numbers.

Nick

[nottophammer]

Here’s a thought. 

What if the process is the generation of numbers themselves, either by the wheel or RNG.

What will we encounter during this process, perhaps some further processes, like a branching process for repeaters, a non-hit branch, a Standard Deviation branch, etc.

All of these branching processes will occur during the process of generating numbers.

Nick

Nick i like what i see, but wow, WTF, looks complicated to the untrained, so i'll leave you all to it, thanks, best of luck to all

[Still]

Did I ever say unique statement?

You implied that there are statements you are making that can be verified yes or no, true or false. 

If you are repeating things that have been said before, which of those statements can be verified yes or no?

If you are making unique statements, which of those statements can be verified true or false?

Neither did I state my statements are extraordinary.

You're posture, whether asking rhetorical questions (as would a teacher), or making statements (as would a teacher) are extra ordinary here, as not every forum member postures as having a process or method that beats the wheel via a system...and poses as a teacher without any credentials. 

And No, I'm not going to discuss my feelings for Steve.

No, i'm not asking you to discuss your feelings for Steve. 

I'm asking Steve to comment on the only two reasons you will not post an extraordinary win-rate on his game.

The only two reasons you could possibly float to avoid proving anything is:

1. You think Steve records bets.
2. You think Steve can decipher your bets and obtain your system.

You would only be concerned about this if you are claiming you have a winning system, since who cares if Steve records and deciphers losing systems.

Why not: first of all he facilitates this discussion which I totally respect.

Yes, but you think he will record and decipher your winning system. Yes or no?

Secondly my inner thoughts are mine and mine alone and not open for debate.

I think your motives are up for debate, if they encroach upon breaking the rules of this forum.

Otherwise, i would invite you to keep ALL your thoughts to yourself. 

I do understand your mistrust.

I don't think you do. Maybe you could explain why you think i mistrust you?

However, could it just be that instead of using our reasoning powers would have protected us from our disappointment? Whom do you mistrust? People with extraordinary statements, or your own power of assessment (sorry, could not find the word I was looking for: not a native speaker)

Clearly, you are asking forum members to use reasoning power. 

The word for this is group-sourcing. 

My question is, why are you asking the group to use it's reasoning power for you?

Is it because,

  A) You need help testing a system? Help testing an idea?
  B) You are posturing as a teacher, and are expecting students to do some work.

Either way, it is not looking good for you, if you are not willing to post any extraordinary win-rate that qualifies you as a teacher.

I do not ask you to trust me, as far as I know I have stated falsifiable statements, just proof me wrong or right: I actually do not care.

It's clear you do not care about the group based on your statements so far.

Again, what are these falsifiable statements, whether unique or common place?

Again, before proving one of your ideas right or wrong, what are you basing your request for group resources on?

Do not expect me to hold your hand and guide you through it. It is therefor my believe that I do not have to convince you or anyone.

Here again, you've more than implied that you have something that beats the wheel, otherwise there is no question of hand-holding or convincing. 

But you won't reveal what that is. 

That is a violation of the rules here. 

As a compromise, so that you CAN violate the rules, i have asked you to establish your teaching credentials first, by posting an extraordinary win-rate on Steve's machine. 

I am simply noting, for the record, that you are refusing to do so for reasons that are neither clear, nor acceptable, if Steve is an honest person. 

[praline]

Otherwise, i would invite you to keep ALL your thoughts to yourself. 

Rrbb, he is just kidding. Please do not keep your thoughts only for yourself.

Still, there are a lot of members that accept rrbb as teacher and would love to hear  more from him... If you aren't one of us just don't click on this topic.
I studied and worked a lor with his posts and views, thats why i don't need any proof from him. Its all logical and make sense even without steve's game.

[Still]

Rrbb, he is just kidding. Please do not keep your thoughts only for yourself.

Still, there are a lot of members that accept rrbb as teacher and would love to hear  more from him... If you aren't one of us just don't click on this topic.
I studied and worked a lor with his posts and views, thats why i don't need any proof from him. Its all logical and make sense even without steve's game.

I don't have to click on anything, and rrbb doesn't have to break the rules.  So we are even so far.

[praline]

rrbb doesn't have to break the rules

Or you can see it as "new ideas"... And not a rules violation

[rrbb]

Lets call this proposed VIEW N2H in honor of N2H:

we only distinguish between hit and unhit.

1. A number of part of hit when it first belonged to unhit; and the wheel (or pnrg) spit this number out:
2. A number is part of unhit when it first belonged to hit, and a repeat occurs on that number:

e.g. dozen (just to illustrate)
unhit 1,2,3   hit: none  roulette: 1
unhit    2,3   hit: 1       roulette: 2
unhit      ,3   hit: 1,2    roulette: 2
unhit    2,3   hit: 1       ...

So the only thing roulette does, is moving numbers from hit to unhit and the other way around. We have to start somewhere, and than we just move numbers from hit to unhit and visa versa.

If we like we can even decide where roulette puts these numbers: for example, in the case of the hits, lets put the new numbers in front. In the case of unhit, let's put them in the back (but that's entirely up to you)

- This is a continues process, not unlike the one N2H is using.
- If we like we can reset the hit and/or unhit on a repeat
- We can combine betting on the (some of) the hit and the unhit

- its totally up to us, it will of course help if we could find a pattern: a reason to bet on the the hit or unhit (or parts of them)

Does this really happen in roulette? Well no. But who cares
Is this a consistent winner? No it illustrates "finding" a process


Most people here played around for years with certain systems, why not spend a couple of days in this view? Who knows, you might come up with a (much better) and view yourself. The only boundary is your imagination...
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[Still]

Or you can see it as "new ideas"... And not a rules violation

I think we've had enough of the think-about-roulette-differently meme as an excuse to go around the rules. 

This is beyond "think differently".

Way beyond.

[rrbb]

Please all,

I'm not a teacher! And not a guru really I'm not. I can only advocate to see roulette for what it is: it is a promise of enormous wealth - and I leave it up to you how you define wealth. There are some posters here who have really really beautiful life lessons to share, some of them are directly related to roulette.

I posted one last post (besides this one), for this year. My cup of negativity is full.

The post is kind of related to N2H's system: it describes a view of roulette as a "breathing" living thing: in this view numbers are shifted from "hit" to "unhit". This is an example of a continues process. Maybe combine it with some other ideas/thoughts from this forum. It's fun.

Btw: there are some guys here who are fluent with excel (I might even have helped some them out in the past...), use their skills as this will make testing a lot easier. Always keep the "constant bet" in mind (unless you play for fun). Within 10 seconds you should be able to recognize if a system has potential or not.

Good luck!

And Still, I really do not need this. You are right to be skeptical, but I'm not going over all my posts and credentials.

have fun!

[Still]

Please all,

I'm not a teacher! And not a guru really I'm not. I can only advocate to see roulette for what it is: it is a promise of enormous wealth - and I leave it up to you how you define wealth. There are some posters here who have really really beautiful life lessons to share, some of them are directly related to roulette.

I posted one last post (besides this one), for this year. My cup of negativity is full.

The post is kind of related to N2H's system: it describes a view of roulette as a "breathing" living thing: in this view numbers are shifted from "hit" to "unhit". This is an example of a continues process. Maybe combine it with some other ideas/thoughts from this forum. It's fun.

Btw: there are some guys here who are fluent with excel (I might even have helped some them out in the past...), use their skills as this will make testing a lot easier. Always keep the "constant bet" in mind (unless you play for fun). Within 10 seconds you should be able to recognize if a system has potential or not.

Good luck!

And Still, I really do not need this. You are right to be skeptical, but I'm not going over all my posts and credentials.

have fun!

Good bye.

If you need any more help solving these puzzles and problems, come on back and try again.

If you want to frame your posture as a guru or teacher you can post an extraordinary win-rate on Steve's machine.

[praline]

Thank you still

[Nickmsi]

OK, rrbb, I hear you.

Attached is an excel sheet that shows the Hits, Unhits and repeats in a 37 spin cycle.

Simple press Function Key F9 for another set of RNG spins.

Any ideas anyone has about expanding this sheet to see if we can find a constant bet, just shout out and I will be glad to re-code and try.

Cheers

Nick

[praline]

User 'rrbb' can not receive personal messages.

Strange one...

[praline]

I posted one last post (besides this one), for this year. My cup of negativity is full.

What a disappointment. ..
However i hope to read more from you in the future. I wish you all the best!