Multiplayer-roulette Spins & Results

[Steve]

If your system on multiplayer-roulette has no effectiveness, you can expect your win rate to be around 0.972972972972973.

For example, if you bet 1 number for 37 spins, on average you can expect to win once. That leaves you with 35 + 1 unit = 36 units after the 37 spins.

The win rate is: 36/37 = 0.972972972972973

So far from all players combined, the winnings are 541633619 and losings are 556881019. So the combined win rate for all players is 541633619 / 556881019 = 0.9726200041305412


A Comparison:

Expected win rate:
0.972972972972973

Actual win rate from all players combined:
0.9726200041305412

The difference is very small. Of course though we don't expect them to be exactly the same. Simply the more everyone plays, the closer the values become.

The overall results so far are a perfect example of what happens in the real casino. There are winners, there are losers. Most are losers. The winners think they have the HG, but have just won from luck. The losers try to make a better system, but it typically makes no difference.


Myths vs Fact

There has been some criticism directed at me, because some people believe the spins aren't random. I have this to say:

* If you see enough spins, you are going to see some strange looking sequences. It happens on every wheel, and every RNG including true RNGs.

* If the multiplayer spins aren't random, then beat the game and rank at the top. Don't just post images and say "look at this". Take advantage of spins if they are "rigged".



Server Logs

I've also been accused of setting up the game to steal people's systems. This is because it logs bets made by players. Originally we didn't log this data. We only added logging capabilities to figure out how players were cheating, then fix the loopholes. In the end the cheating was possible because the programmer didn't follow my design instructions. But now the problem appears fixed. Anyway, the logged data is basic information like amount bet, amount won, previous balance, new balance, and what was bet.

Before you say this is a violation of your privacy, keep in mind that every casino logs the same kind of information. This is for the same reasons - to check for cheating and fix bugs. If a casino sees you have the HG, do you think they would be more trustworthy with your system that I would?

If you had the HG, theoretically it would be possible for me to reverse engineer your system. But it would require a lot of careful analysis to reverse engineer your bet selection algorithm. I'm an honest and direct person. If I think you have the HG, I will directly ask to buy it from you. I have had the same offer to buy the HG for $100,000. And so far everyone who tried to proceed ended up wasting time.

Sure I could be lying and might try and steal your HG, so you can just decide for yourself if that's what I'm trying to do. The game was designed to be something fun for everyone. It also doubles as a way for people to boast if they want, and if their system performs well. Nobody is forcing anyone to play on it.



The "Randomness" of Spins

The spins are still being sourced from real wheel spins. My players add them and every day they get saved to a text file. Before I upload the new file (usually once a month), I see where in the sequence the game is, then remove all the spins that have appeared. This way there spins don't repeat, and spins aren't wasted.

The spins are not rigged. I am not deliberately making people lose. Roulette is just a negative expectation game and if your system doesn't work, you will lose. That has nothing to do with me.

But to end speculation that I'm rigging the game to make people lose, I'll provide the actual spins I'm just about to upload. See the next post.

[Steve]

Attached is the spins file I just uploaded, but it is in an encrypted zip file.

1. Download it now so you know I don't change it.

2. Anyone can save the spins that appear on the game (multiplayer-roulette/MPR)

3. After about 20 days I will provide the password to unzip the file. Then everyone will see the spins. You need the free program from :.7zip.org

Few people doubt the integrity of the game. After all it's just a game with no real money, and the results are almost perfectly what we should expect because roulette is negative expectation. But hopefully it clears up any last doubt.

Again I know sometimes spins look strange, but it happens with every type of roulette if you see enough spins. Try profiting from it.

Ps - Don't bother trying to brute force hack the file. Wont happen.

[falkor2k15]

Can we have chat room logs as well please to go with the spins?   

[maestro]

Don't just post images and say "look at this"

...

i can post whatever i like...and why dont you get spin file from random org with time stamp and upload it to your game..how do you know that when you join spins from your players they will be same as roulette stream..
or maybe your players do 10000 spins per day...

[Steve]

Because rng spins aren't roulette spins. They are rng, like slot machines. Are you a slot player?

There are between 20-50 active players at a time, it varies, averaging around 5000 spins per day. But the profiles for online casinos are excluded. Its still enough even without backup sources.

[Steve]

And my point of saying don't just post images was to encourage you to verify the data is not rigged to make anyone lose. Do this by checking the spin file.

[maestro]

ok..thanks

[maestro]

Because rng spins aren't roulette spins

so you can tell the difference..if so enlighten us

[Steve]

Yes with enough data i can tell the difference.

Bias for example. Also dealer signature and correlating to previous spins.

Its not too difficult to know the difference if you habe enough data.

[sugtips]

Thanks God.
Good Morning All.

Referring to first post of the thread.

Thank you Steve Sir for explaining, its helpful and motivating.

I will now again try my systems on MPR.

Love and Light.
SugTips

[Moxy]

Thanks for your honesty.  In my honest opinion, 100k Aus is below value for a/the HG.  The designated moniker itself should require a substantial return.   Especially if it will be dispersed over time (friends, family, associates, etc).  It simply is not worth it when one can just work at his discretion.  So it stands to reason that it is foolish to even entertain that offer if one value personal economics.

In contrast, mergers and acquisitions run for billions of dollars for newly proprietary ownership.   One would wisely  never part with it unless he could comfortably retire with it from a buyout.  That is goal, in all this, after all, nothing less. 

[cht]

Thanks for your honesty.  In my honest opinion, 100k Aus is below value for a/the HG.  The designated moniker itself should require a substantial return.   Especially if it will be dispersed over time (friends, family, associates, etc).  It simply is not worth it when one can just work at his discretion.  So it stands to reason that it is foolish to even entertain that offer if one value personal economics.

In contrast, mergers and acquisitions run for billions of dollars for newly proprietary ownership.   One would wisely  never part with it unless he could comfortably retire with it from a buyout.  That is goal, in all this, after all, nothing less.

Your mark is more accurate unlike Steve's gross undervaluation but there's no retirement in this game where the viability will never decay. That means buyout is mostly not a consideration.

[Moxy]

Your mark is more accurate unlike Steve's gross undervaluation but there's no retirement in this game where the viability will never decay. That means buyout is mostly not a consideration.

Off course it is.  It always is. But only to an exclusive group who grasps the gravity of a HG along with having the capital to possibly acquire it.  Glad you agree with the valuation though.   To the laymen it may seem a lot but not when consideration, experience, and context comes into play of what a HG entails.

[Steve]

Yes $100k is low for the hg. But wee often get people selling what they say is the hg for $49.95. My best tech is 80k but not the hg.

[Moxy]

Yes $100k is low for the hg. But wee often get people selling what they say is the hg for $49.95. My best tech is 80k but not the hg.

Those people are dishonest then or mentally stunted in their valuation of a HG (which I highly doubt the latter).  You wouldn't sell your brilliant proprietary computer blueprints unless a serious buyout was offered.  A few million, at the very least, I presume.