Multiplayer-roulette Spins & Results

[maestro]

correlating to previous spins

i thought you wrote program where states that all spins are EQ likely...or you meant correlating is due to dealer

[Steve]

For RNG, there is was correlation except for fractals, but I havent found a way to make use of it yet.

Real spins are different.

[Steve]

Besides i released a free simplistic version of the software for everyone here to use. So everyone can see if there's a specific sequence of spins that happens more than any other sequence. Based on the systems being tested, it doesnt appear many or even any people are using the software to test theories. So there isn't much point publishing a more capable version.

For example, does the sequence 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8 occur fewer times than 33,14,17,1,22,19,0,34? The point in they happen the same amount of times.

[maestro]

For RNG, there is was correlation except for fractals, but I havent found a way to make use of it yet.

Real spins are different.

does it mean that say if i see 27,36,1 for ex. on RNG this one is more likely to happen than 27,36,1 on live roulette..

[Steve]

No because the cause and effect for rng and real spins are completely different. Even different wheels have different patterns although the  physics is the same.

I don't fully understand the effect of fractals in rng yet. I would need to put note time into it.

[maestro]

numbers are numbers....you say wheel has no memory now you say diff wheels have diff patterns but no rng spins...

numbers are numbers...fractals will not help you

[Steve]

numbers are numbers

Numbers represent pockets. They are not nothing.

you say wheel has no memory now you say diff wheels have diff patterns but no rng spins...

The wheel doesn't have memory. It doesn't care about past winning numbers. Past and future spins still have a link, but it's all still cause and effect. For example a dealer will pick the ball up from the last winning number and spin, and that last winning number is one variable (one of the causes for the next winning number).

But let's put "past spins are irrelevant" into context. An inexperienced player will say after RRRRRR, B must be "due". But actually the odds are still the same for R or B. In this case, the past spins are meaningless.

now you say diff wheels have diff patterns but no rng spins

Yes different wheels have different patterns, because they each have their own unique physical properties. Like people may look the same, with two eyes, two legs etc, look closer and there are lots of differences.

numbers are numbers...fractals will not help you

A number in roulette is an absolute and binary value. It is not meaningless.

and maybe fractals cant help. Maybe they can. Just so far I haven't found a way they can increase the accuracy of predictions.

[maestro]

But let's put "past spins are irrelevant" into context. An inexperienced player will say after RRRRRR, B must be "due". But actually the odds are still the same for R or B. In this case, the past spins are meaningless.

true but still you get players to say...i do better when look at the past spins...are they wrong..i dont think so...

spins as a sample of spins will give  you fitness of the wheel...at the end of the day is game of probability not certainty

[nottophammer]

Maestro, what about average for the starting 37, probability of the 37 all hitting must be different to the average each non-hit can take.

If we look at Mortagons #'s from today, all 37 numbers hit in 103 spins, so how does probability answer that. Now looking for the 3 remaining non-hit, took 28 spins, so at some point you could say,say after 12 spins a third of the 37 spins the probability of one of the 3 non-hit is due to appear soon, yes 16 spins later, you tell me that you could not build a progression to cover 3#'s for say 30 spins.

M this is not a dig at you just wanting to know why people dont work to average of non-hit #'s

[maestro]

just wanting to know why people dont work to average of non-hit #'s

i dont know notto why they do not...maybe if there is step by step how to do it some might try..

[nottophammer]

I'll work on it, might even be able to make it simple enough for Falkor to understand 

[3Nine]

I'll work on it, might even be able to make it simple enough for Falkor to understand 

LOL.  That's a tough one.

[Kattila]

Steve , you say past spins are not good......for me are good enough to
help me to take a good decision in what to bet for the next few spins.
Once any of this patterns complete ( can wait more spins)one must bet a
different position ( only one position, so not to many numbers).
Also can use same or similar  patterns on Splits, streets.

Groups of numbers do repeat ...that is sure ,  and using
past spins/patterns  we can have  a higher probability that one group
will repeat in some unhit position.  The attack is on the position so not
on the same group over and over again...., also no negative progression
involved , only flat or possitive prgrs.  If one session is lost the possitive
prgs.  save the situation most of the times ( in the next sessions).
I am quite sure you not agree ..but each one with his stuffs.....

Just some examples with numbers/ patterns:


NR      patterns

12      a           a
4        b           a
23      a           b
7        b           b
34      a           a
4        b           a
18      a           b
9        b           b
28      a           a
3        b           a
5        a           b
29      b           b
33      a           a
1        b           a
17      a           b
15      b           b   
.
.
.
.
----------------------------------------------

Or...

Nr      patterns

11      a           a
14      b           a
25      c           b
7        a           b
34      b           c
24      c           c
11      a           a
13      b           a
28      c           b
36      a           b
5        b           c
29      c           c
31      a           a
19      b           a
27      c           b
30      a           b
4        b           c
8        c           c
.
.
.
.

[falkor2k15]

Why the unhit position and not the most recent position? Why track the furthest distances instead of the most recent?

[Kattila]

Falkor,
Because  of one event....the change....
After you "" push""  one event ( few distances) until close to the limit , the unhit
position(s) should hit in the next few spins, but of course not always will hit