My Holy Grail For Sale.

[junscissorhands]

I was looking on the web to sell my HG system so i have managed to find a forum where you can actually sell it.

My price for the HG is 5000 euro's.  And it's not semi HG, it's HG HG, so it always wins. I am only going to sell it to 5 individuals.

The HG will include everything you need. Bankroll needed, illustrations of sample plays, once you understand it you can go through as many other scorecards (permanenzen) to see that it's HG and that it never loses.

It contains a 4 progression levels, but after discovering and researching it, i have never ever reached the end of the 3rd progression level plus it has been tested overmore than 20000+ spins with real play and the cards (permanenzen of Wiesbaden, Aachen and Duisburg).  I have never seen 3 back to back losses yet!

If you play with 1 euro unit you will win 50 euro's per hour but the unit value is up to you. If you up it to 10 euro you can get 500 euro's per hour.

The system does require a little bit of patience and time, and you can't play every single trigger. I will also offer support and if you need any help/questions i will be there to answer and explain more if needed.

Check attachments after winnings online.

If you are seriously interested contact me or leave a post. (new to this forum so i don't know the rules too well)

[Steve]

Just about every system is capable of the wins in your screenshots. Calling any system a "holy grail" without absolute solid proof is just going to annoy people. Every now and then there's someone claiming to have the HG.

If you could provide real proof, I'd be interested. So would others.

[maestro]

Check attachments after winnings online.

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yeah and we are fucking idiots so some HG monk can come  and sell his crappppp ...

[junscissorhands]

What kind of proof do i need to post ?

I know why most people respond like this, i've used to be one of them like omg an another scammer or someone with a crappy system putting up crap again. I'm just posting it here to see if anyone would be seriously interested, if not then that's fine.

i am not desperate into selling it to be honest.

I have not been playing for superlong time..i think around 3 years ? I do not claim i have 15-30 years experience. But i have played a lot and intensely esp the last year online and B+M. I've tried a lot and learned the most by reading and hanging out on an another famous roulette forum. It's there where i have gotten the inspiration into finding my HG.

No one is obliged to believe what i am saying, but please have some respect before accusing me of this or that thanks.

[junscissorhands]

People will say ah it's old news bla d bla

but besides AP, Roulette Computers, VB and RSSYS

the only way to beat the roulette wheel is the law of the thirds. That's the big weakness in it's design.

And that's what this HG is about.

[cht]

Hi junscissorhands

There're 2 parts to your post -

1. You call it HG, and

2. You're selling it.

For part 1. you need to provide irrefutable proof. Screenshots just won't be enough. Even a video over your account won't do, sadly. Because HG means a lot of things many times more.

So,  hard question for you - the vendor plus everyone else in this community, how is anyone able to provide the required proof of authenticity yet at the same time provide protection to the vendor not to reveal his secret sauce ?

We need more then hurl harsh accusations. Tell the community exactly in practical terms what's that minimum standard of proof. This helps any vendor who comes on this board what that minimum standard is and if they are able to fulfil that basic requirement then they start open a thread like this without the usual accusation of scam. If they are not able to meet minimum requirements, the vendor can put forward their reasons why not and a useful probing discussion can proceed.

2. Sell - when you as a vendor sells your winnable system, you need to provide concrete reason why you wish to part with your system for money - It makes no sense because it's contradictory in itself.

The model used by Steve for others to trade his system for a part of their profits is one you might want to consider. However, it might not be suitable if your system can be easily re-engineered.

Hope this helps you, vendors, et al.

[junscissorhands]

Very good point CHT.

I think it's all about good old blind trust.

Because i can only give hints without giving my HG away.

I do not necessarily want to part with it, i was thinking of sellling it to either one or five individuals. But i will re-consider it.

I myself live in the netherlands (europe). I think if i sell it to someone overseas and that person agrees not re-sell it or tell anyone then i am fine with it. My first thought was to sell it for a much higher price like 10.000 but then i know no one would want to spend that much on it and 5000 ain't cheap anyway. It's a good boost to my bankroll as i still play with 1 till 5 euro units. And as i sell that other person will be testing the system with me for the rest of his/her life and maybe even improve where it's possible (maybe quicker or the tweaks).

The HG itself is a grind and very boring to play and it nets def. 25-50 units in about 120-180 spins.

Live wheels only, i play mostly the speed roulette or auto live roulette. The spin time for speed is 25 seconds per spin and auto live is around 40-45 seconds.

[cht]

Very good point CHT.

I think it's all about good old blind trust.

Because i can only give hints without giving my HG away.

I do not necessarily want to part with it, i was thinking of sellling it to either one or five individuals. But i will re-consider it.

I myself live in the netherlands (europe). I think if i sell it to someone overseas and that person agrees not re-sell it or tell anyone then i am fine with it. My first thought was to sell it for a much higher price like 10.000 but then i know no one would want to spend that much on it and 5000 ain't cheap anyway. It's a good boost to my bankroll as i still play with 1 till 5 euro units. And as i sell that other person will be testing the system with me for the rest of his/her life and maybe even improve where it's possible (maybe quicker or the tweaks).

1. "The purchaser not to tell someone else or resell it." How do you enforce that ?

The HG itself is a grind and very boring to play and it nets def. 25-50 units in about 120-180 spins.

2. If "25-50 units in about 120-180spins" assuming your drawdown is low,
then it's no more a grind nor boring. Problem is, is it true itlr ?

This is where the problem starts, you need to think about how to provide irrefutable proof and onus is on you.

Live wheels only, i play mostly the speed roulette or auto live roulette. The spin time for speed is 25 seconds per spin and auto live is around 40-45 seconds.

[maestro]

I have not been playing for superlong time..i think around 3

how much did so called Hshitt made you ..copy all bank transactions for 3 years period and show us...

some respect

and this one you got to earn it

[junscissorhands]

What do you mean if it's true ?

The amounts of units can vary, sometimes a session will have many wins and sometimes you have to wait but the end results remain the same, you never lose a session. There is no stop/loss it's all up to you. This HG is not going to make you a millioinaire overnight, unless you play with a super high value unit and huge bankroll ratio. But you could easily do this on a fulltime basis. I've just quit my job two days ago.


I don't think that the other person would re-sell it after purchasing it for this price and actually seeing it's an HG.

[junscissorhands]

I've only found out about the HG about 2.5 - 3 months ago.
Before that i was playing systems what would win and eventually lose.


Maestro, even if you pay 50.000 i would even't sell it to you. I don't have to do anything.

Treat people like how they would treat you, kind and with respect.

[cht]

What do you mean if it's true ?

It means -  I, including everyone else, don't know if your claim is true or not.
We are sceptical and rightly so, you need to convince us with irrefutable proof. Are you able to do that and are you willing to provide the proof ?

The amounts of units can vary, sometimes a session will have many wins and sometimes you have to wait but the end results remain the same, you never lose a session. There is no stop/loss it's all up to you. This HG is not going to make you a millioinaire overnight, unless you play with a super high value unit and huge bankroll ratio. But you could easily do this on a fulltime basis. I've just quit my job two days ago.

1. No stoploss is bad news -
real bad. Because variance, the monster in the room, kick everyone of our ar#£ everytime.

2. The value of your win, assume 25-50units, is measured against your stoploss. This will contribute towards the overall risk adjusted reward assessment.

3. You have not yet used your system on a full time basis.

I don't think that the other person would re-sell it after purchasing it for this price and actually seeing it's an HG.

I'm merely reading your post,
tell you what I think.

[junscissorhands]

That's why it's the HG, it feeds of variance. Variance is needed to make this work.
The layout of the wheel and the Law of the thirds is it's weakness.

You dont have to be afraid of the flow of the roulette, because it always wins. the system pauses itself when there is a negative flow because the trigger itself recogizes it and is unplayable. When it becomes playable again thus winning it goes into the positive flow.

I can pick any casino card and my hg beats it. no matter how many spins.

[maestro]

[quoteMaestro, even if you pay 50.000 i would even't sell it to you.][/quote]


could not care less..

but why do i have to respect you..what for ...just another shmuck being sooo clever and sells his crapp to the flock of sheeps

[maestro]

it feeds of variance

so that means your holy shmoly is loser since all tends to hit mean in long run,in long run your holy shmoly goes to drain