Win....Why dont you?!

[Steve]

Nothing is ever due even after extreme imbalance. Its all still cause and effect.

I still believe a hg could exist purely because there's so much we don't know. But expecting something is due is well tested and doesn't work at least in the context of balance.

Something new is needed.

[cht]

Cause/effect is one form of 'insider info' if it exist in roulette. There're other forms, EV/var is another but that depends on the quality of the model.

[MoneyT101]

The payouts never change. All that's possible to change is your odds of winning.

How can you do that without predicting? (Excluding stealing chips)

Cht nice post, falkor has a current topic

Anybody have any ideas on how to pick winners and not predict?

Come on now don't be shy

[Steve]

How is picking winners different from predicting?

How is it different from trying to change the odds?

[Steve]

Cause and effect is not "insider info". It just means a winning number doesn't happen from fairytales. It happens because of logic, variables and reason.

[cht]

All models involve the collection of variables data, some legal others illegal, some allowed others not allowed. The numbers are crunched to generate probabilities and stats upon which the decision is made.

The model itself is built on logic, physics, math, time travel.....whatever is plausible.

It's 'insider info' as this is not available to the general public. That's if it exist in the first place.

[vladir]

We can't predict particular outcomes. But we can predict(for 99,99% of the time) some things that happen in a cycle of spins.

For example, we can expect(predict?) to have in a 37 cycle any 2 dozens to hit at least 16 times 99,99% of the time (not sure of this numbers right now, it's just an example, would need to test it).

We can't predict when they will hit, but could we come up with some kind of a betting progression that makes use of this information (it's a complex thing,  that would have to consider how many spins we had so far, current profit/loss and expected wins/losses for further spins until end of cycle). Eventually we can define any cycle and any betting pattern, and figure out the limits of the pattern within the cycle, and find a 'fitting' and dynamic progression that wins most of the cycles played. It's not an easy exercise.

[MoneyT101]

Cht and vladir I agree, we can get data and make use of it based on the probability of past data.

Calculated movements based on the limits of MATH

Many math guys use the data and say numbers don't lie.  Very true statement.

BUT WHAT YOU FAIL TO REALIZE.  The way I use the past info might not be the way you use the past info.  Your data says one thing and my data says another.

In both situation math doesn't fail. 😱

How is that possible?


The beauty of this game!  Spins are independent 🚨

This means I can take spin 1 and and spin 5 and play a different game then I am playing with spin 2 and spin 6. While at the same time during spin 1and 5 play two games that have nothing to do with each other.  Using the same data but differently 😱😏

[Steve]

Test your theories extensively.

It shouldn't take long. Code rx or. excel. Or just use the free software i published. Test properly then move on to something that hasn't already been tested a trillion times.

I'm not anti system. I'm anti repeat the same thing.

[cht]

What we look for is the frequency exceeds the payout. For most models, the test will fail under 10k spins.

[3Nine]

Test your theories extensively.

It shouldn't take long. Code rx or. excel. Or just use the free software i published. Test properly then move on to something that hasn't already been tested a trillion times.

I'm not anti system. I'm anti repeat the same thing.

Yet, here you go again repeating the same thing.  Same old, same old.

[Steve]

Ever wonder why i keep saying the same thing?

Speaking off the same thing......
rrbrbbbb, repeaters, hot, cold, sleepers, wakers, consistent wining bet, trots, pigeons, roofing, progression etc etc.

[Steve]

Keep in mind the truth will not change. Its it a bad thing i keep repeating it?

Its not mere opinion.  Its all fact anyone can verify for themselves.

Anyone can do simple tests and see why old approaches waste time. Try something new. Is it such bad advice?

[MoneyT101]

Steve, because YOU can't understand it doesn't mean it's the same thing!

Don't be quick to brush things off because you seen so much of the same thing.

Dyksexlic began the cycle talk and restarting on repeats ( I don't see any mention before him)

Redd brought different approaches and views and differential betting

Pri touched up on the same information with different approach to open your eyes to the possibility

Mix all the information together with what I am posting.  Or mix it with what falkor is talking about in his recent thread.

Add this to this mix....

How can I lose when I am covering every number 😂

Now my understanding of all the info is still new so testing possibilities and trying to come up with ideas. 

But the pigeons are real 😂, once that understanding comes things start falling into the right place

🐦🕳🐦

[cht]

The earlier guys proposed different carpet formats. Winkel stands out, he looks at distribution.