EC Pointers?

[romano0327]

I am sorry, I did not mean "retrack", but bet only one time after trigger, if bet wins or looses then wait again for new trigger to occur, my question is, do we bet only once after trigger?

[DoctorSudoku]

That was quite a novel idea "linearity" of his (for those that understood it) but, alas, after excel botted, it was proved conclusively not to work. Even moglizu admitted as much. I recall being quite disappointed at the time. I don't waste my time on it after that. Verdict: Fail - not Grail.



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The term "linearity" was Mr. Moglizu's unique contribution to that topic.

In terms of the bet selection method itself, he plagiarized it straight out of Wendell's play book.

[atlantis]

I looked at this one again and If not flatbetting then the "easy peasy" progression for EC and Line might suit this one.

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[atlantis]

Just to remind and clarify the "Easy Peasy" (EC+Line) progression rules, notes etc...

FIRST WAY

The first bet is an EVEN CHANCE wager. This bet is always DOUBLE the amount of the second bet that is made.

The second bet is a LINE bet (doublestreet). This bet is always HALF the amount of the even chance bet.
The starting bet for the ECs is 1 unit. The starting bet for the LINE is 0.5 unit.

The Progression: Keep track at all times of the highest recorded bank total.

**Each time a DOUBLE LOSS occurs the LINE bet is INCREASED by 0.5 or half a unit**

The EVEN bet is always adjusted to be DOUBLE the value of the LINE bet.

If LEVEL or AHEAD always reduce to starting stake (1u on EC - 0.5 on Line)

Results of 7 bet opportunities:

EC win     +0.5     next bet 1L and 0.5Line   +0.5*
EC win     +0.5     next bet 1H and 0.5Line   +1.0*
Both lost   -1.5    next bet 2H and 1Line      -0.5
EC win     +1.0     next bet 2L and 1Line      +0.5
EC win     +1.0      next bet 1H and 0.5Line  +1.5* new high; reduce to 1 and 0.5
EC win    +0.5      next bet 1L and 0.5Line    +2.0*
Line win  +1.5      next bet 1L and 0.5Line    +3.5*stop

Results of 9 bet opportunities:

EC win       +0.5     next bet 1L and 0.5Line      +0.5*
Both lost   -1.5      next bet 2H and 1Line         -1.0
EC win      +1.0      next bet 2L and 1Line          +0
Both lost   -3.0       next bet 3H and 1.5Line       -3
Both lost   -4.5       next bet 4H and 2Line         -7.5
EC win       +2        next bet  4H and 2Line         -5.5
Line win     +6        next bet  1H and 0.5Line      +0.5* level; reduce to 1 and 0.5
EC win       +0.5     next bet  1L and 0.5Line       +1.0*
EC win       +0.5     next bet  1H and 0.5Line      +1.5*
Line win     +1.5     next bet 1H and 0.5Line       +3.0*stop

SECOND WAY

Another way is to only increase the Line Bet when a loss of 2 or more units occurs and only reset at a new high:

Result of 3 games:

+1.5  line win         bet 1H + 0.5Line          +1.5
-1.5  double loss    bet 2H + 0.5Line          +0
+1.5  ec win            bet 2L + 0.5Line          +1.5
+1.5  ec win            bet 1L + 0.5Line          +3*** target
===================================
+0.5   ec win            bet 1L + 0.5Line         +0.5
-1.5   double loss     bet 2L + 0.5Line       -1.0
+1.5   ec win            bet 2L + 0.5Line         +0.5
-2.5  double loss      bet 3H + 1Line           -2.0** (2 or more units loss - increase line to ensure profit if line win)
+2   ec win               bet 3H + 1Line            +0
+2   ec win               bet 1L + 0.5Line         +2** new high; reduce to 1;0.5
+0.5  ec win             bet 1L + 0.5Line        +2.5
-1.5  double loss      bet 2H + 0.5Line       +1.0
+1.5  ec win             bet 2H + 0.5Line       +2.5
+1.5  ec win             bet 1L + 0.5Line         +4.0***target
====================================
+0.5  ec win             bet 1L + 0.5Line          +0.5*
+0.5  ec win             bet 1L + 0.5Line         +1.0*
+0.5  ec win             bet 1H + 0.5Line         +1.5*
+1.5 line win            bet 1L + 0.5Line         +3.0***target
====================================

Move up and down the levels depending on amount of current deficit.
Also I am aiming for 6x0.5u win per game now. (+3u)

Levels of progression:

Deficit          EC;Line
===============
under -2u     1;0.5
-2u               2;1
-4u               3;1.5
-6u               4;2
-8u               5;2.5
-10u             6;3
-12u             7;3.5
-14u             8;4
etc..

THIRD WAY

OR can use this EASIER and more straightforward progression which I like:

The EC+Line system original (preferred by twocatsam)
=======================

On each loss I increase the EC bet by +1.  Only after a set of 2 consecutive losses is the LINE bet also increased by +1.

A result of +3 or more ends a game. And bear in mind this can occur in just 1 single spin.

**Starting bet 2u on EC; 1u Line**

====================================
w3               bet 2L and 1Line          +3* target
====================================
L3               bet 3H and 1Line         -3
w2              bet 2L  and 1Line         -1
L3               bet 3L and 1Line          -4       
w2              bet 2H and 1Line         -2
L3               bet 3H and 1Line        -5
w2               bet 2L and 1Line        -3
w1              bet 2H and 1Line         -2
w1              bet 2L and 1Line         -1
w3              bet 2H and 1Line         +2
w3              bet 2L and 1Line         +5* target
====================================
w1              bet 2H and 1Line          +1
w3              bet 2L and 1Line          +4* target
====================================
w3              bet 2H and 1Line          +3* target
=====================================
w3               bet 2L and 1Line          +3* target
=====================================
w1               bet 2L and 1Line          +1
w1               bet 2L and 1Line          +2
w3               bet 2H and 1Line         +5* target
=====================================
w1             bet 2H and 1Line            +1
w1             bet 2H and 1Line             +2
L3              bet 3L and 1Line             -1 
w2             bet 2L and 1Line             +1
w3             bet 2H and 1Line            +4* target
====================================
w1             bet 2L and 1Line           +1
w1             bet 2L and 1Line           +2
w3             bet 2H and 1Line           +5* target
====================================
w1            bet 2H and 1Line             +1
w1            bet 2L and 1Line             +2
w3            bet 2H and 1Line            +5* target
====================================
w1           bet 2H and 1Line               +1
w1           bet 2H and 1Line               +2
L3           bet 3H and 1Line               -1
w2           bet 2H and 1Line              +1
w1           bet 2H and 1Line              +2
L3            bet 3H and 1Line              -1
L4            bet 4H and 2Line              -5
w6           bet 3L and 1Line              +1
w2           bet 2L and 1Line              +3* target
====================================
L3           bet 3L and 1 Line             -3
w2          bet 2H and 1Line              -1
w3          bet 2L and 1Line              +2
w1          bet 2L and 1Line              +3 * target
====================================
w1          bet 2L and 1Line               +1
w1          bet 2H and 1Line              +2
L3          bet 3H and 1Line               -1
L4          bet 4L  and 2Line              -5 
w2          bet 4L  and 2Line              -3
w2          bet 2L and 1Line              -1
w1          bet 2L and 1Line              +0
w1          bet 2L and 1Line              +1
w3          bet 2H and 1Line              +4* target
====================================
w1         bet 2H and 1Line               +1
w1         bet 2L and 1Line               +2
w1         bet 2L and 1Line               +3* target
====================================
w1         bet 2H and 1Line               +1
w1         bet 2L and 1Line               +2
w3         bet 2H and 1Line               +5* target
====================================
Profit = +55pts.

I am going to try the third way on live dealer and using the system at the head of this topic - it will require patience and determination of course to wait and identify the qualifying results that will trigger a bet opportunity for each session

Atlantis.

[atlantis]

Reminder note to self:

I asked:

What if you just back the qualifying EC only at a flat 1u for same test, I wonder??
Conditions the same as for system - but ignore the line bet and just bet flat 1u on the EC; H or L....

Might there be a positive advantage to be gained by doing that? Need test - because earlier requested test result was not posted (if it ever occurred that is..)

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[zibaanna]

del

[atlantis]

It seems that after qualifying trigger, betting EC only producing interesting results. Long strings of L's not happening. More w than L but really need longer tests; an RX program and using real casino roulette results ideal and would give the answer - but quite intriguing 

Another member reports:

LWLWWWW 120 SPINS 7 TRIGGERS
LLLWWLWWWW 110 SPINS  10 TRIGGERS
LWWLLLWLWL 125 SPINS  10 TRIGGERS
WWWLWLLLWLWWWL  150 SPINS 14 TRIGGERS
LWWLWLLLW 120 SPINS 9 TRIGGERS
LWWWLLWWWWWLLW 185 SPINS 14 TRIGGER
WWWLLWLLW 130 SPINS 9 TRIGGER
WWLWLWWWL  120 SPINS 9 TRIGGER
WLWLWWWWLLW 150 SPINS 11 TRIGGERS


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[keepontryin]

always liked your work atlantis......how are you playing to get these results..

[Herby]

Reminder note to self:

I asked:
Might there be a positive advantage to be gained by doing that? Need test - because earlier requested test result was not posted (if it ever occurred that is..)

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Hi atlantis,
I promissed you a computerized test last year  shame on me.
Due extreme lot of work last 8 months I totally forgot - sorry for that.
I check my programm  (written with Mathematica, I'll send you if you like) from scratch and keep you informed.
Herby

[atlantis]

always liked your work atlantis......how are you playing to get these results..

Hi
Am playing exactly as I described at the start of the topic. Except this time I am only betting the EC and not the line bet.
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[atlantis]

Hi atlantis,
I promissed you a computerized test last year  shame on me.
Due extreme lot of work last 8 months I totally forgot - sorry for that.
I check my programm  (written with Mathematica, I'll send you if you like) from scratch and keep you informed.
Herby

Hi Herby,
Yes- please keep me updated on that. It would be great if you could do a test but with just betting the EC portion of the bet described at the head of this topic sometime when you get chance to do it. Thanks.
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[keepontryin]

atlantis ........here is a tweak i use when playing h or l on a 00 wheel..........if high is the bet i would bet high BUTi would not bet the number and its split in the last ds of our high selection..........and replace with 0 00 split......hope you understand.......this way

[atlantis]

atlantis ........here is a tweak i use when playing h or l on a 00 wheel..........if high is the bet i would bet high BUTi would not bet the number and its split in the last ds of our high selection..........and replace with 0 00 split......hope you understand.......this way

Yes - I understand that tweak.
If you feel comfortable with that and it is working for you then why not? I am playing on single 0 with le partage (half-stake returns)
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[atlantis]

Another session...

120 SPINS
WWLLWWWLWLWW 12 TRIGGERS BUT WINNING SESSION

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[atlantis]

Another session:

LLLWWLWWWWWWWLLWW  235 SPINS; 17 TRIGGERS; 11W;6L

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