How to play and win with VdW (from "Random Thoughts")

[nottophammer]

Prof it's to late for me my math is poor, but i see the trot, your top man, let the negative shit fly by ya, you know what to do so just keep doing it.

[psimoes]

Difference between this presented system and Follow Second Last Decision, please?

If RR, bet R

If RB bet R

The above loses to Zero and House Limit (long runs of RRBBRRBB or BBRRBBRR kill the progression)

This presented system looks like the variation with which we bet If RR bet R. If RB, we don´t bet. The goal is to half the chances of losing, but it also halves the chances of winning. So, If RB bet R, If RR don´t bet has identical number of chances of winning and losing.

Winkel, you posted your statistics for RR bet R. or 11, bet 1.
I *bet* that for RB bet R, or 12 bet 1, the statistics will be identical.

Thanks.

[3Nine]

Difference between this presented system and Follow Second Last Decision, please?

If RR, bet R

If RB bet R

The above loses to Zero and House Limit (long runs of RRBBRRBB or BBRRBBRR kill the progression)

This presented system looks like the variation with which we bet If RR bet R. If RB, we don´t bet. The goal is to half the chances of losing, but it also halves the chances of winning. So, If RB bet R, If RR don´t bet has identical number of chances of winning and losing.

Winkel, you posted your statistics for RR bet R. or 11, bet 1.
I *bet* that for RB bet R, or 12 bet 1, the statistics will be identical.

Thanks.

Nice post.  I've read somewhere that probability is 78%. 

[winkel]

Difference between this presented system and Follow Second Last Decision, please?
vdW also follows 3rd and 4th last decision
...
The above loses to Zero and House Limit (long runs of RRBBRRBB or BBRRBBRR kill the progression)
It has to happen that RRBB.... appears 10 times in a row. And we stop after 3 losses by these doubles.

This presented system looks like the variation with which we bet If RR bet R. If RB, we don´t bet. The goal is to half the chances of losing, but it also halves the chances of winning. So, If RB bet R, If RR don´t bet has identical number of chances of winning and losing.
Yes it looks like, but ist isn´t.

Winkel, you posted your statistics for RR bet R. or 11, bet 1.
I *bet* that for RB bet R, or 12 bet 1, the statistics will be identical.
And  we pick up this 12121 and bet on it (AP 1 3 5 or 2 4 6)

Thanks.

that´s it!

[psimoes]

It has to happen that RRBB.... appears 10 times in a row. And we stop after 3 losses by these doubles.

I don´t know how to say it without looking like an attack, but doesn´t that sound like gambler´s fallacy to you? 3L StopLoss, wait for a Virtual Win... no matter how well thought-out the system is and the solid theory behind it still don´t guarantee a second bad run and a third won´t follow...
Like with other clever and not so clever systems out there, you will eventually win, until you inevitably lose it all. You know that.

[RouletteGhost]

I don´t know how to say it without looking like an attack, but doesn´t that sound like gambler´s fallacy to you? 3L StopLoss, wait for a Virtual Win... no matter how well thought-out the system is and the solid theory behind it still don´t guarantee a second bad run and a third won´t follow...
Like with other clever and not so clever systems out there, you will eventually win, until you inevitably lose it all. You know that.

It is nothing but a guess in the end.

[psimoes]

It is nothing but a guess in the end.

Ya, although there´s merit in trying to use six spins only to avoid the double decisions that form the APs, the spins are always rolling. That vdW doesn´t give a s**t if you´re playing for six spins or nine. When it appears that R and only R HAS TO hit, B hits instead, you then count the last nine spins, and voilá an AP has just formed and you didn´t bet on it. vdW is useless if you count on it to win, it always stabs you in the back.

Sorry to say this vdW thing is just bollox.

[RouletteGhost]

Ya, although there´s merit in trying to use six spins only to avoid the double decisions that form the APs, the spins are always rolling. That vdW doesn´t give a s**t if you´re playing for six spins or nine. When it appears that R and only R HAS TO hit, B hits instead, you then count the last nine spins, and voilá an AP has just formed and you didn´t bet on it. vdW is useless if you count on it to win, it always stabs you in the back.

Sorry to say this vdW thing is just bollox.

I agree

VdW in and of itself isn't bollox but for roulette it has no advantage

It is the same as guessing R or B every spin.

I am afraid we are being fed trash.

From falkor to winkel. None of this helps in roulette.

[wiggy]

Sorry to say this vdW thing is just bollox.

I can understand why some of you guys think that....but....VdW doesn't just have to be an EC thing. You could be betting any location and use the VdW to help. Suppose you were betting just a few streets and used streets 1-6 as low and 7-12 as high. Now you have a bit more leeway to work with and don't have to win every other spin. I like to use it in both it's original form and a few different variations. If something doesn't work to  your liking.....fix it until it does work or just drop it.

[psimoes]

EC, dozens, streets, double streets, it´s all the same illusion, my friends. Just give it time, you will see. Nothing helps with Roulette. Nada!
I´m out. Good luck to all.

[DoctorSudoku]

I agree

VdW in and of itself isn't bollox but for roulette it has no advantage

It is the same as guessing R or B every spin.

I am afraid we are being fed trash.From falkor to winkel. None of this helps in roulette.

Priyanka's name needs to be added to that list. In recent years, she has been one of the biggest "baiters" on this forum with her seductive clues and hints about converting random outcomes into non-random outcomes and (supposedly) profiting from them.

[RouletteGhost]

Priyanka's name needs to be added to that list. In recent years, she has been one of the biggest "baiters" on this forum with her seductive clues and hints about converting random outcomes into non-random outcomes and (supposedly) profiting from them.

I've been around awhile

I lurked for a while as well

I admit I have made some pretty stupid strategies in the past

one thing I learned is that there is NO CHANGING THE HOUSE EDGE. it is impossible

sure, we can create systems and clever ways to play. I am a firm believer not all systems are created equal. Many systems are better than others

but over the years it is clear to see who the baiters are, who the bullshit artists are...there are plenty here

You can play vdw or any fancy way you would like, at the end of the day its the same as guessing

prove me wrong, show me the millions.....falkor, winkel, even caleb who claims he plays AP, SHOW ME THE MANSION YOU GO HOME TO?!?!?!

[Andre Chass]

Let's give a break to the guys. Many here are trying at least a small advantage against roulette.

I know it's  practically impossible to win long term, but...

Rather than criticize them, let's at least thank their for the effort.

[Andre Chass]

What a lack of kindness here!

[RouletteGhost]

I totally support system creation

And a collaboration of minds

But to talk in riddles, pretend you have something special, and dodge around questions, is something that should receive zero tolerance!

P.s. You are betting 1200 to win 150. Eventually you will lose so be careful!