Pigeons or VDW (POV system)

[MoneyT101]

Comcast taking to long...Alright here is an example using random numbers.  These are the groups we are betting 10 on EC and 1 on each number for a total of 19

Group 1 -bet Red & 19,21,23,25,27,30,32,34,36

Group 2 - bet Red & 1,3,5,7,9,12,14,16, 18

Group 3 - bet Black & 20,22,24,26,28,29,31,33,35

Group 4 - bet Black & 2,4,6,8,10,11,13,15,17

Here are the spins on the left.

7----R---L
2----B---L
12--R---L
26--B---H
29--B---H...bet group 1... Loss -19.. T -19
12--R---L... bet group 4... Loss -19.. T -38
7----R---L
27--R---H... bet group 1... Win 26.. T -12
13--B---L..  bet group 1...Loss -19.. T -31
7----R--L
29--B---H
36--R---H... bet group 1... Win 26.. T -5
22--B---H... bet group 4... Win 1 ... T -4
5----R--L.... bet group 2... Win 26...T +22
10--B--- L... bet group 4... Win 26 ..T +48
25--R---H... bet group 1... Win 26... T +74
21--R---H.... bet group 3.. Loss -19..T +55
8----B--L
1----R-- L
30--R-- H

Profit +55

I believe I got the ap correct according to winkel idea.  If not someone please correct me.  I will do another 20 spin example once my wifi is up.

[Andre Chass]

It seems to be a great method!

Thanks!

I did not understand why 4 groups rather than just 2.

[MoneyT101]

It seems to be a great method!

Thanks!

I did not understand why 4 groups rather than just 2.

This is one bet! They go together do not seperate. 

So the system will bet on low/high

For the sake of understanding 10 units on EC and 9 unit on numbers will be used (low/high)

When you see LH (you can bet L or H but whatever you decide you stick to it)

So for this method bets will be like this...


Example 1
RR....  bet 10 unit on red
LH ... bet 9 units red high numbers

Example 2
RR....  bet 10 unit on red
LL....bet 9 units red high numbers

Example 3
RR....  bet 10 unit on red
HL... bet 9 units red low numbers

Example 4
RR....  bet 10 unit on red
HH..bet 9 units red low numbers

Example 5
RB... no bet
HH...LL...HL...LH

Example 6
BR....no bet
HH...LL...HL...LH

Please read

[Andre Chass]

But why not

10 units on red and 10 high(all high)
10 units on red and 10 low(all low)

10 units on black and 10 high(all high)
10 units on black and 10 low(all low)

You also did not explain when I should bet on low numbers and high numbers.

Sorry for my ignorance...

[MoneyT101]

But why not

10 units on red and 10 high(all high)
10 units on red and 10 low(all low)

10 units on black and 10 high(all high)
10 units on black and 10 low(all low)

You also did not explain when I should bet on low numbers and high numbers.

Sorry for my ignorance...

Look at the example...

If you get RR your going to bet R at the same time your tracking low and high.

So example 1

RR.... here your betting for Red

Also tracking the low/high, if you get

LH... here you bet red high numbers only, there is 9 of them

This all together is considered 1 bet

Now look at examples 2-6

The EC bet is based on winkels topic which is located here link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=19357.0

The second part of the bet I created to add a bet within a bet!

[Andre Chass]

Look at the example...

If you get RR your going to bet R at the same time your tracking low and high.

So example 1

RR.... here your betting for Red

Also tracking the low/high, if you get

LH... here you bet red high numbers only, there is 9 of them

This all together is considered 1 bet

Now look at examples 2-6

The EC bet is based on winkels topic which is located here link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=19357.0

The second part of the bet I created to add a bet within a bet!

I understood winkels topic

I get it, but my question is why red highs and not reds low? Which pattern are you using to bet low or high numbers?

[MoneyT101]

When you see LH (you can bet L or H but whatever you decide you stick to it)

So for this method bets will be like this...


Example 1
RR....  bet 10 unit on red
LH ... bet 9 units red high numbers

Example 2
RR....  bet 10 unit on red
LL....bet 9 units red high numbers

Example 3
RR....  bet 10 unit on red
HL... bet 9 units red low numbers

Example 4
RR....  bet 10 unit on red
HH..bet 9 units red low numbers

Example 5
RB... no bet
HH...LL...HL...LH

Example 6
BR....no bet
HH...LL...HL...LH

I decided that's how I want to bet, you can do it either way. 

The examples show the rules. 

I'm betting the repeat or the chop, don't ask me why.  Just think about it!

[Andre Chass]

Thanks for the explanation!

I'll give it a try later

[MoneyT101]

Btw guys my internet still down..  Comcast didn't fix it because near the cables by the pole there is a bee swarm and he told me I have to get rid of them for him to work. 😒

So I will not have wifi at home until after the hurricane.  I might go somewhere else for the storm.

I want to get more examples up and test the weaknesses so I can make the adjustments.

I believe winkel used 3 losses to wait for a win.  We can maybe add something similar but it all depends on the data which I haven't look that far into yet, I'm a try to work on it offline in open office

[MoneyT101]

Guys during testing I noticed the chop on the low and high to be more profitable.  Which it should be 50/50.  So not sure if something is off on my end or I don't have enough data


Here is what I mean, if...

RR.. we bet R according to vdw
LH... we bet red high numbers which I picked based on looking for a repeat to complete LHH

But the data seems to show LHL to be a better play.  I will continue testing the way I have the examples until I have enough data.

Just pointing it out in case anyone else is working on, so they can pay attention to that

[cht]

Guys during testing I noticed the chop on the low and high to be more profitable.  Which it should be 50/50.  So not sure if something is off on my end or I don't have enough data


Here is what I mean, if...

RR.. we bet R according to vdw
LH... we bet red high numbers which I picked based on looking for a repeat to complete LHH

But the data seems to show LHL to be a better play.  I will continue testing the way I have the examples until I have enough data.

Just pointing it out in case anyone else is working on, so they can pay attention to that

Good idea Money, pretty similar to what I do. Yup, I notice you go for chop.

[cht]

Just want to point out in your example above it's a lot better to drop the original bet though it's too early for that at this stage.

[MoneyT101]

Just want to point out in your example above it's a lot better to drop the original bet though it's too early for that at this stage.

Drop which bet the EC?

I do want to point out that this method is mainly for the concepts I'm trying to show.   

[cht]

Drop which bet the EC?

I do want to point out that this method is mainly for the concepts I'm trying to show.

Yup EC.

Are you demonstrating what it means by 'bet within a bet', 'parallel streams', 'stitching' all of that ?

[MoneyT101]

Yup EC.

Are you demonstrating what it means by 'bet within a bet', 'parallel streams', 'stitching' all of that ?

Yes... the point of this topic is to promote evolving vdw because Pri said if you don't evolve you can't use it effectively.  I'm not saying this is the right way just trying to bring out ideas from others so everyone can stop being one sighted.

Also I gave ideas on creating an HG and some concepts are here

Own world,Short game, dependency, pigeons.....