Vdw

[3Nine]

If you really want to be able to beat roulette, you have to investigate if you can create a bet that depends on the RESULT of a previous bet. Please note: this might just as well be a virtual bet.

[RouletteGhost]

Will read this after work today

Aren't we still in a position where we can bet on multiple AP and still lose?

I'm just missing the puzzle piece that tells me how this helps choosing bets.

[DoctorSudoku]

Will read this after work today

Aren't we still in a position where we can bet on multiple AP and still lose?

I'm just missing the puzzle piece that tells me how this helps choosing bets.

You face the prospect of mutual bets towards the end of of a 9-spin  series (especially on spin 9).

When you face that dilemma, do NOT bet and  just accept a loss for that series (assuming you had not won a bet earlier on in that series and were losing that series at that point).

[DoctorSudoku]

I don't think rigid flat betting will work.

To make it work, you will  need to use a mild progression.

[DoctorSudoku]

link:://betselection.cc/roulette-forum/use-math-to-beat-roulettebaccarat/

link:://betselection.cc/baccarat-forum/g3m1-with-vdwap/

[RouletteGhost]

You face the prospect of mutual bets towards the end of of a 9-spin  series (especially on spin 9).

When you face that dilemma, do NOT bet and  just accept a loss for that series (assuming you had not won a bet earlier on in that series and were losing that series at that point).

So is it that we only bet on the 9th spin

Sorry just want a little foundation knowledge before I dive in

[DoctorSudoku]

So is it that we only bet on the 9th spin

Sorry just want a little foundation knowledge before I dive in

No, you do your betting on earlier spins  of that series -- as long as VDW tells you to bet on one specific side only -- either Banker or Player.

Any time you face the prospect of mutual bets (usually on spin 9, but occasionally on 7 and 8 as well), just skip that bet and accept a loss for that series (if you were indeed losing that series at that point).

[cht]

So is it that we only bet on the 9th spin

Sorry just want a little foundation knowledge before I dive in

AP's that form on spins 3-6 have only one bet option, spins 7-9 might have one or mutual bet options.

[RouletteGhost]

Ok I'm beginning to structure this in my head

What is this about a guaranteed win?

[DoctorSudoku]

Ok I'm beginning to structure this in my head

What is this about a guaranteed win?

There is no guaranteed win in roulette.

In life, there are only two things that are guaranteed: income tax and death.

[MoneyT101]

celescliff

Without really knowing what I was doing, I was already kind of using AP on the EC's around 18/24 months ago because of my interest in the pairs...(RR,RB,BB,BR) Then I advanced to breaking them down and betting them as 9 numbers (pretty similar really to what MONEYT101 is suggesting now) Then I studied the 'Random Thoughts' thread and couldn't get all the cycle stuff at first. But I did work out a unique way to use the PHP principle and incorporate it with multiple streams. Having spent a lot of time going over everything again, I finally got the cycle idea. I can bet whatever location takes my fancy, however I prefer the streets because I think the 11/1 payout is a nice balance and not too greedy. win-max has a lot of good stats for the different locations and as Nicksmi rightly says....'use the maths AND the stats'.

You didn't ask for my life story  However I hope anybody reading what I just wrote understands it isn't just coming overnight and takes a lot of work and re-visiting of ideas as you move along. I am fortunate in a way that I have had plenty of time to study, think and test all the ideas/concepts that are getting discussed. It could take someone else a lot longer and they could get frustrated and give up.

Congratulations my friend!   

I agree only those that read and go back to the information will find it.  There is a way to beat the GAME, you just have to want it bad enough to search.

[MoneyT101]

But it doesent.

Why not include the zero(s) right from the beginning? Its a waste otherwise.

The zero will not let you see the information properly.  Once you understand the data then add the zero.  The solution to the zero is very easy! 

Think about this, if you found a way to win more then you lose each spin, with more then 1 unit.  Would you mind putting a unit on zero?

I'm sure you wont!  So stop worrying about zero and worry about winning

[RouletteGhost]

So with baccarat we will have several AP opportunities in 9 tries but we can miss them all because it's still a guess


??

[cht]

Congratulations my friend!   

I agree only those that read and go back to the information will find it.  There is a way to beat the GAME, you just have to want it bad enough to search.

The ONLY way to beat casino games consistently is to use probability together with situational statistics in a unique way to force PhP work in favour of the bets, it can be overwhelming. I don't know of any other way.

Note: VdW theorem is not necessary.

[RouletteGhost]

On the surface it looks to me that VDW is as good as saying "in 3 spins a color must repeat" or "in 4 spins a dozen must repeat"

So I will form further opinions after I read the bet selection thread

It seems to me that the next spin follows no math at all