Vdw

[RouletteGhost]

Vdw does not help with roulette because the next spin can still do whatever it wants

That being said

Someone explain to me HOW vdw or AP helps choose bets.

[celescliff]

Exactly. It hasn't canged anyhing.

What's even more irritating is that everyone ignores the fact that there also is 0/00, which totally changes everything in an AP.

All people need to see is this:



It is only for non-zero roulette or baccarat

[wiggy]

It is only for non-zero roulette or baccarat

No it's not because you can use AP to bet on just single numbers if you like. (or any location for that matter)
So many guys get caught up on the first step of AP when in reality it is just like teaching a kid to count to 5 and don't bother to look at the wider picture. 

[Herby]

Hi wiggy,

you can use AP to bet on just single numbers if you like. (or any location for that matter)

Maybe you call this above a second step.
The wider picture contains a huge amount of possible steps.

Most interesting would be of coarse one with just as even little advantage against the HE.
So maybe you show us a direction to go.

[Herby]

What's even more irritating is that everyone ignores the fact that there also is 0/00, which totally changes everything in an AP.

Just one kind of logic of theoretical view:
First find something with a little advantage.
Only when this is found then surely it's necessary to consider the zero('s).

From this view it makes a lot of sense first to omit the zero's.

[wiggy]

Herby

Did you ever download the cycles chart from Pryanka's 'random thoughts' thread. She showed how the cycles repeat roughly 63% of the time.

example....

24=doz 2
36=doz 3
15=doz 2 (2)
19=doz 2 (1)......so a repeat on the doz 2 cycle.

Think about how you can improve this 63% percentage? How could you get it happening more to improve your chances of an AP happening.

[Herby]

wiggy,
Thanks for the answer.
I programmed this cycle examples and can use it for any kind of cycles (dozen,quads, H/l,..).
Just remembering: the higher hitrate is payed with the longer cycle length.
I'll have a look at it again

[celescliff]

No it's not because you can use AP to bet on just single numbers if you like. (or any location for that matter)
So many guys get caught up on the first step of AP when in reality it is just like teaching a kid to count to 5 and don't bother to look at the wider picture. 

For you to support that claim, how much have you tested your way of playing this theorem?

Just one kind of logic of theoretical view:
First find something with a little advantage.
Only when this is found then surely it's necessary to consider the zero('s).

From this view it makes a lot of sense first to omit the zero's.

But it doesent.

Why not include the zero(s) right from the beginning? Its a waste otherwise.

[DoctorSudoku]

It is only for non-zero roulette or baccarat

I agree with you.

My own testing of applying standard VDW to EC bets (using my own data sets of actual dealer-spun wheels and also airball wheels) leads me to the same conclusion (at least as of now).

[wiggy]

For you to support that claim, how much have you tested your way of playing this theorem?

celescliff

Without really knowing what I was doing, I was already kind of using AP on the EC's around 18/24 months ago because of my interest in the pairs...(RR,RB,BB,BR) Then I advanced to breaking them down and betting them as 9 numbers (pretty similar really to what MONEYT101 is suggesting now) Then I studied the 'Random Thoughts' thread and couldn't get all the cycle stuff at first. But I did work out a unique way to use the PHP principle and incorporate it with multiple streams. Having spent a lot of time going over everything again, I finally got the cycle idea. I can bet whatever location takes my fancy, however I prefer the streets because I think the 11/1 payout is a nice balance and not too greedy. win-max has a lot of good stats for the different locations and as Nicksmi rightly says....'use the maths AND the stats'.

You didn't ask for my life story  However I hope anybody reading what I just wrote understands it isn't just coming overnight and takes a lot of work and re-visiting of ideas as you move along. I am fortunate in a way that I have had plenty of time to study, think and test all the ideas/concepts that are getting discussed. It could take someone else a lot longer and they could get frustrated and give up.

[nottophammer]

Wiggy
You know i'm FOBT player, where you see Woodpeckers, i like that term, as good as plasterers, but can you use the FOBT or do you not trust in them.
I believe in them to be fair as like Winkel said the LOTT should be there and it is

[wiggy]

Hello Notto,

I remember years ago that if two separate players pressed the spin button at the same time on a FOBT terminal, the same number would appear because it comes from an external server. That supposedly doesn't happen anymore. Not sure why they would have changed it......but it makes you wonder. If I am in the bookies, I will sometimes put a couple of quid into the 100/1 roulette and just play the 9 or 10 numbers that are already on the screen. The woodpeckers and plasterers are still bang at it...lol.

[nottophammer]

Great avi/pic wiggy.
Yeah they just bash away.

[RouletteGhost]

Even on baccarat I don't see it working

Can someone explain?

Legitimately looking for an explanation

[DoctorSudoku]

Even on baccarat I don't see it working

Can someone explain?

Legitimately looking for an explanation

Rich,
Go over to betselection.cc (don't see your name there nowadays !) and read ADulay's posts. He has a dozen of them spread all over  their VDW thread.

He has had success in applying VDW to baccarat (he made some minor modifications of his own in applying it).

Here is the thread in question -- specifically focus on ADulay's posts:

link:://betselection.cc/roulette-forum/use-math-to-beat-roulettebaccarat/