Vdw

[cht]

Here's the basic tool I use to test out VdW theorem. Not perfect(does not handle the zero well) but workable. Play around this MultiTracker with the F9 key. Paste real spins in column A instead of random numbers. If you do find something interesting, share it with me.

[Andre Chass]

I've spent a lot of time on this reading about arithmetic progression and my conclusion and opinion is that doesn't increase accuracy of bets.
There's no difference saying red will come up 50% over the long run... It's just a ilusion...

After reading almost all the content on arithmetic progression, and almost all the posts, I came to a conclusion: There is no system that will win long term.
The game has been around for centuries and I believe all tests have been done over the years by mathematicians around the world. So it seems like we're trying to reinvent the wheel.

Yes, efficient systems exist in wich we can take advantage of that, but we will never be able to challenge math.

The best thing to do is to use the combination of an efficient system together with an efficient strategy as well.
Everything I learned leads me to think that way.
If there was an unbeatable system, we would be at that moment enjoying life with expansive cars, beautiful women and a big mansion... If there was an infallible system, we would not have been in this forum for years searching for the golden pot.

[MoneyT101]

Everything I learned leads me to think that way.
If there was an unbeatable system, we would be at that moment enjoying life with expansive cars, beautiful women and a big mansion... If there was an infallible system, we would not have been in this forum for years searching for the golden pot.

It's funny how certain ppl are saying there is a way to win and sharing information to investigate and you come and post this and then saying you are reading the forum.

More like skimming... I said it more then once vdw won't help unless you apply it different.

Wiggy shared some solid info, 3nine shared some solid info, cht shared some solid info

But everyone still asking about vdw and talking about something that has nothing to do with what should be of interest 

F**king 🤡 'S

😂😂😂😂😂

[Andre Chass]

It's funny how certain ppl are saying there is a way to win and sharing information to investigate and you come and post this and then saying you are reading the forum.

More like skimming... I said it more then once vdw won't help unless you apply it different.

Wiggy shared some solid info, 3nine shared some solid info, cht shared some solid info

But everyone still asking about vdw and talking about something that has nothing to do with what should be of interest 

F**king 🤡 'S

😂😂😂😂😂u

"Yes, efficient systems exist in wich we can take advantage of that"

Did you read that?

Calm down man. You have to respect different opinions...

[stringbeanpc]

On the surface it looks to me that VDW is as good as saying "in 3 spins a color must repeat" or "in 4 spins a dozen must repeat"

RouletteGhost, I think you are confusing VdW and Pigeonhole Principle, each is a separate idea.

link:s://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pigeonhole_principle

link:s://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_der_Waerden's_theorem

to quote from wikipedia
"the pigeonhole principle states that if n items are put into m containers, with n > m, then at least one container must contain more than one item"

this pigeonhole principle is what you are showing in your statement "in 3 spins a color must repeat" or "in 4 spins a dozen must repeat"

Hope this helps you

[Andre Chass]

That's the best non random system these days...

You are parlaying these steps and looking for a double win before you revert back to the 1st step.

1=4 +3
1=4 +2
2=8 +4
2=8 +2
3=12 +3
4=16 +3
5=20 +2
7=28 +3
9=36 +2
12=48 +2
16=64 +2
22=88 +4
29=116 +3
39=156 +4
52=208 +4
69=276 +3
92=368 +3
123=492 +4

BANKROLL = 488.

Take the 4 different e.c's.

RR RB BB BR,  OO OE EE EO,  LL LH HH HL.

Wait for 14 (28 spins) times to see one of these groups not appear and then attack it.

[Andre Chass]

Let me ask something!

We don't no where the AP will form.

It will form on the 3rd spin, 4th spin, 5th spin, 6th spin, 7th spin, 8th, spin or 9th spin.

If you play RB, then it absolutely has to form on one of those spins.

So a 7 step martingale should never lose?

[praline]

So a 7 step martingale should never lose?

You will have 3 or 4 LLLL in a row to wipe your bankroll.

[Andre Chass]

You will have 3 or 4 LLLL in a row to wipe your bankroll.

So I don't know how to play and win using this system.

I have read a lot about it and I can not understand what advantage it brings.

It seems I'm not the only one.

Could you explain it to me?

[Andre Chass]

You face the prospect of mutual bets towards the end of of a 9-spin  series (especially on spin 9).

When you face that dilemma, do NOT bet and  just accept a loss for that series (assuming you had not won a bet earlier on in that series and were losing that series at that point).

What I'm understanding is that I'll not use martingale and stop after some losses? What's mutual bets?

[praline]

Could you explain it to me?

I wish i could...

One priyanka's post is always in my mind, something like:

"If you observed, in case of ec, vdw is nothing but bet the dominant, if your selection is not dominant you will have a dead lock"

[MoneyT101]

if your selection is not dominant you will have a dead lock"

This is what winkel posted in his system.  He showed how to pick a side.

The deadlock just makes the game back to random, it can be either or.

But if you look at the information with another view then you just pick a side!

This is where the parallel game comes in; to help with the decision on which side to bet.

[cht]

The only way to win at casino games is to remove the gamble in the gambling.

If you gamble, you're a loser 100%.

To me there're 5 critical conditions that must be adhered to that might take the gamble out of gambling for a low risk, consistent winnable play -

1. Flatbet : I have said this from day1. If your method can't win flatbet you don't have a winnable method.

2. Risk : The risk has to be defined for every bet opportunity. It must be quantified against br, it must be exact.

3. Bankroll : It has to be small. If your method can't survive whatever drawdowns you don't have a winnable method.

4. Mechanical : If you are guessing, you're gambling.

5. "It is the nature of roulette to provide short cycles of opportunity with which, if we are alert and well prepared, we can take advantage of with a small short term edge, and step aside before the inexorable correction takes place."

esoito said a very reputable, professional player posted that many years ago. People can't imagine how small that window of opportunity is. Very, very, very small.

See that bolded red, it tells us this window of opportunity comes unannounced for a couple of spins then normal chaos returns. This is not the typical 'hit and run' or 'short term' play.

You want to have this proper mindset that you can't beat casino games KO/TKO style, not possible. You win small bites at a time. The small wins add up to the target you pursue itlr.

When you read people say they made 100+k in one killing session, know that they got lucky. They might lose this amount just the same. I've seen this whale bet 20-30k per hand, won 1.5million. The crowd followed him and his bets, he's the gambling god for a while. Then the tables turned, he lost back 2.2million all this in 3 weeks - this guy can afford the loss, it's play money to him.

If you gamble, gamble with small change that you'll lose to the casino for the cost of fun and entertainment the casino provides you.

If you play to win, don't gamble. Play with casino money always.

cht

[DoctorSudoku]

What's mutual bets?

A mutual bet is a situation where for the next spin, you can get 2 separate APs forming -- but one can be formed by B and the other by R.

Ignoring the 0/00, you know with absolute certainty that one of the 2  APs will form, but you don't for sure which one.

Here is an example -- let's say for the first seven spins you get:

1 B
2 B
3 R
4 R
5 B
6 R
7 B
8

Now, ignoring the 0/00, you will for sure get one of the following two APs completed on the eighth (next) spin:

The 2 5 8 if B shows up.

Or

The 4 6 8 if  R shows up.

That is a mutual bet situation -- either the B or the R will definitely complete an AP. 

So which one will you bet?

There is no clear SINGLE choice for the next spin.

[DoctorSudoku]

One other point: the mutual bet  situation in general shows up on either spins 7, 8, or 9.