Fun with EC+Column

[atlantis]

This not new - and may be already tried, known or familiar to members.

I'm Just sharing this little strategy because it is very simple to operate and I do use it quite often. A bet selection I have previously posted. I use it sometimes with small stakes for betting every spin in order to fulfil bonus offer requirements with online casinos. I like to play it on real, live dealer or fastspin rng.

An EC + column variant for single 0 and based on the arrangement of the Roulette colours on the table.

When you look at the table layout you will notice that:
The 1st Column has an equal number of Red and Black numbers, but the 2nd Column has 4 Red and 8 Black, while the 3rd Column has 4 Black and 8 Red numbers.

What to bet
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There are 2 bets involved.

The first bet is 1unit on RED or BLACK even chance

The second bet is 1unit on the 2nd or 3rd COLUMN. (2/1 chance)

When you bet Red then you must also bet an equal amount on the 2nd Column.

When you bet Black then you must also bet an equal amount on the 3rd Column.

Note:
Whether you bet Red and the 2nd Column or Black and the 3rd Column, you are covering 18 plus 8 for a total of 26 numbers out of 37 at the cost of only two units. That's covering 18 of a colour plus 8 of the other color and doubling up the coverage on 4.
When only the correct colour comes up, the bet returns even money so you get the spin for free. When only the column hits you make one unit profit. When the colour and the column both hit then you make three units profit.

When to bet
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Selections are decided by the DOMINATING COLOUR out of the LAST THREE results.

The ZERO is ignored. Only use the results before the 0.

If red is the predominating colour then the bet to be made is 1u on RED + 1u on 2nd COLUMN.

If black is the predominating colour then the bet to be made is 1u on BLACK + 1u on 3rd COLUMN. 

Simples. (Tsch!)

Target Aim
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You can end a playing session ANY TIME. I suggest a modest profit target balance of +3 or more  -  which means of course, you have WON!

REAL MONEY SESSION
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28b                                     bal. +/-
3r
19r     last 3   bet r+c2
23r     w+3      bet r+c2        +3 - target
12r     w+0      bet r+c2
36r     w+0      bet r+c2
23r     w+3      bet r+c2        +6 - target
34r     w+0       bet r+c2
1r       w+0      bet r+c2
11b    w+1        bet r+c2       +7
13b    L-2        bet b+c3        +5
10b    w+0       bet b+c3       
3r      w+1       bet b+c3       +6
2b      w+0       bet b+c3
20b    w+0       bet b+c3
13b    w+0       bet b+c3
23r     L-2        bet b+c3       +4
0G     L-2        bet b+c3       +2
24b    w+3       bet b+c3       +5
26b    w+0       bet b+c3
5r      L-2         bet b+c3      +3
22b    w+0       bet b+c3
22b    w+0       bet b+c3
18r     w+1      bet b+c3       +4
15b    w+3       bet b+c3      +7
35b    w+0       bet b+c3
20b    w+0       bet b+c3
23r     L-2        bet b+c3      +5
29b    w+0       bet b+c3
32r     L-2        bet r+c2       +3
36r     w+0       bet r+c2
3r       w+0       bet r+c2
9r       w+0       bet r+c2
27r     w+0       bet r+c2
21r     w+0       bet r+c2
3r       w+0       bet r+c2
4b       L-2        bet r+c2       +1
5r       w+3       bet r+c2       +4
27r     w+0       bet r+c2
9r       w+0       bet r+c2
3r       w+0       bet r+c2
15b     L-2        bet r+c2       +2
30r     w+0       bet r+c2       
22b     L-2        bet b+c3      +0
15b     w+3      bet b+c3       +3
29b    w+0       bet b+c3
24b    w+3       bet b+c3       +6
5r      L-2         bet b+c3       +4
0G     L-2         bet b+c3       +2
14r    L-2         bet r+c2        +0
26b    w+1       bet r+c2        +1
23r    w+2        bet r+c2        +3
31b    L-2        bet b+c3        +1
33b    w+3       bet b+c3        +4
4b      w+0       bet b+c3       
14r    L-2         bet b+c3        +2
8b     w+0        bet b+c3
9r      w+1       bet r+c2         +3
8b     w+1       bet b+c3         +4
17b    w+0      bet b+c3 
0G     L-2        bet b+c3         +2
28b    w+0      bet b+c3
34r     L-2       bet b+c3         +0
20b    w+0      bet b+c3
31b    w+0      bet b+c3
32r     L-2       bet b+c3         -2
0G      L-2       bet b+c3         -4
30r     w+1      bet r+c2         -3
13b     L-2       bet r+c2         -5
23r     w+3      bet r+c2         -2
6b      L-2        bet b+c3        -4
31b    w+0       bet b+c3       
29b    w+0       bet b+c3
32r     L-2        bet b+c3        -6
24b    w+3       bet b+c3        -3
9r      w+1        bet r+c2        -2
12r    w+0        bet r+c2
32r    w+3        bet r+c2        +1
8b     w+1        bet r+c2        +2
33b    L-2         bet b+c3       +0
30r    w+1        bet b+c3       +1
28b    w+0       bet b+c3
12r    w+1        bet r+c2         +2
24b    L-2         bet b+c3        +0
35b    w+0        bet b+c3
3r       w+1       bet b+c3        +1
36r     w+1        bet r+c2        +2
20b     w+1       bet r+c2        +3

STOPPED HERE FOR REFRESHMENT
       
This approach should keep you nicely in the game for some time; hopefully long enough to make a small profit. The risks are not too high especially if you elect to play as I do with small stakes...

I thought about a mild progression on both bets using maybe CYCLIC increases on deficit, maybe some members have got a good idea on this that would be useful? For now though I am being cautious and sticking with flatbetting only...

Ok. There's nothing really new here, I just added the colour dominator thing, but it's nice the drawdowns were not a very significant problem at all. Food for thought?

Also please bear in mind that the unwelcome ZERO "stole away" 8 plus points from the 3rd game target balance too!!
So a No-Zero table is an option warranting serious consideration to guard against the thieving green goblin which has and will occur. It certainly made its mark in this session. 

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Now I have tried a few different progressions but I think the best progression to be used - if you need to use one that is - maybe +1 on both bets after 2 consecutive double losses?

I tried using triggers before betting also, but that seems to make no appreciable difference or especial advantage.

An idea may be to flatbet at 1u for say, 20 spins then if in negative play the next set of 10 or 20 spins at 2u...

Or maybe over a fixed amount of level stake 'sets' of spins there can be consistently overall more profits than losses??

The 'nozero' is rng and not real roulette but would deal with the pesky 0 factor which is a pain when its hitting often.

If you ARE level flatbetting then -10 seems sensible stop point. It's not something that could not be recovered.

You don't have to use exact same EC colour selection either; for instance could try adding the appropriate column with winkel's recently posted vdw idea for Ec colour...

Atlantis.

[RouletteGhost]

Impressive for flat betting

No humongous bankroll needed.

[Nickmsi]

Hi Atlantis,

I love systems like this and have tested many of them.

It appears to me that you are making your decision to bet based on the Dominance of Red or Black.  If Red Dominant then bet Red and Col 2, if Black Dominant them bet Black and Col 3.

My thinking is that if the system is based on Dominance, then we are betting that the Dominance will continue.  If so, I think the better bet would be to bet Red and Col 3 where there are 8 Reds or if the Bet is Black then bet Col 2 where there are 8 Blacks.

This way we are betting more of the Dominant Color.

I did a quick test of 10,000 RNG spins per attached.  The graph on the left bets Red and Col 2, Black and Col 3.
The graph on the right bets Red and Col 3, Black and Col 2.

Mind you this is only 1 test but I think it may be worth further testing.

Cheers

Nick

[atlantis]

It appears to me that you are making your decision to bet based on the Dominance of Red or Black.  If Red Dominant then bet Red and Col 2, if Black Dominant them bet Black and Col 3.
My thinking is that if the system is based on Dominance, then we are betting that the Dominance will continue.  If so, I think the better bet would be to bet Red and Col 3 where there are 8 Reds or if the Bet is Black then bet Col 2 where there are 8 Blacks.
This way we are betting more of the Dominant Color.

Hi Nickmsi,

Yes - the decision for the EC selection is based on the dominance of color over the past 3 spins.
However, system is not just based on dominance; It's based on hedging and coverage too...

better bet would be to bet Red and Col 3 where there are 8 Reds or if the Bet is Black then bet Col 2 where there are 8 Blacks.

However, that way you are only covering 22 numbers instead of the 26 numbers covered by betting R+C2 and B+C3.
If your EC colour loses then you only have 4 numbers to save you and make +1u in the single column...

In the original way I posted, if you lose on the EC colour you could still make +1u if one of the 8 opposites in the single column decides to hit.

The graph looked impressive - but I will stick to the original, I think.

A.

[DoctorSudoku]

Both versions have their attractive points. Will have to do more testing with real wheel spins (both dealer and airball).

[DoctorSudoku]

Going down memory lane, you guys might find the following method originally posted by Iboba/Flatino/Vile/Sesame (all of them the same person) interesting:

link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=10505.0

It involves betting on the color and two columns, though.

[RouletteGhost]

link:://:.roulette- bet.com/2014/04/two-column-system.html

Steve considered it spam so I had to edit the link. Remove the space between "-" and "bet" to visit link.

[atlantis]

Hi RG,
Thanks for that. I do Ok just betting the one column with it. Alright if I'm not winning flat, I may have to increase both bets on occasions... As stated earlier, I'm wondering if adding the column (2 or 3) with the winkel vdw color idea might prove beneficial also?
A.

[RouletteGhost]

I wonder how +1 on a loss -1 on a win would fair.

[atlantis]

I wonder how +1 on a loss -1 on a win would fair.

As I am playing it now - I try and adapt to what is happening...
If I lose a spin on EC+COL (a double loss) I make a note of that. But I do not react or increase straight away. I carry on at the same level to see what next transpires. I may get a couple of draws and then another double loss. If that happens (another double loss before any intervening profit achieved) then I usually do go up +1 on both bets. However, if there are more wins coming at same stake level I keep an eye on the current bank balance (+/-) since any subsequent wins may reduce or even wipe out the loss caused by the first double loss, esp if they happen to come in the shape of double wins...
I play it on fastspin rng (instant spin) usually to reduce the time factor. And that way I can take my own time between spins to suit myself to weigh things up and calculate stakes etc... (or make a cup of tea!)
I always try and get back to 1u-1u stakes whenever possible - even if I am 1 or 2 units behind my starting balance for the session or my highest bank figure obtained in the current session.
I try and capture 5-10u and am satisfied with that. But I always TRY to end a session in plus and if bored or tired will stop with a lower profit. Can always try again later.

A.

[atlantis]

Worth a look also in connection with this is a GLC thread:

Ref: link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=7743.msg70378#msg70378

Rather oddly, it kind of fits the clues of the C.E.H. style bet (if such ever existed)  LOL! 

If RED:

Bet 1 unit on Red
Bet 1 unit on Odd
Bet 1 unit on High
Bet 1 unit on 1st Dozen
Bet 1 unit on Column 2


If BLACK:

1 unit on Black
1 unit on Even
1 unit on Low
1 unit on 3rd dozen
1 unit on Column 3

GLC says:
This is a very stable bet.
The backbone of this system is:
1 unit on Red, Odd, 2nd column.
Or 1 unit on Black, Even, 3rd Column
For only 3 units, you can play this variation and it performs just as well.

I like to play the 3u way FLATBET and use my best of 3 dominant to get the red or black selection.
1 unit on Red, Odd, 2nd column Or 1 unit on Black, Even, 3rd Column

Playing with a +1/-1 progression for each bet (depending on win/loss of each bet) and *importantly* ALWAYS resetting to 1-1-1 when level or ahead also producing good results.

Good Luck,

A.

[atlantis]

Quick test just now. Single 0 (flatbet on 3 locations)
Did not bet 0.
+24 in 55 spins!
Zero hit twice.
Note to self: Consider playing on "Le Partage" table in future. (half-stakes returns on EC)
A.