A basic principle

[Steve]

It appears this is the biggest thing that's not understood. Most people would know I keep repeating "you can't beat roulette unless you increase accuracy of predictions (increase your odds)".

It really needs to be understood so you don't go in circles. Seriously this is a really, really basic concept. You are a casino's fool if you don't understand it. And even worse if you ignore what I'm saying here.

Sure you can say I'm just one of those annoying math people. I'm one of those annoying people that harp on about the "house edge". If you're one of the people who say that, then you need to understand it's like denying the existence of gravity. Seriously imagine trying to tell someone gravity doesn't exist. Then you drop a rock and say "see, that's gravity working right there!" and they respond "Nah that's your opinion. Don't push your opinions on me". That's exactly how ignorant some of you are.

WAKE UP AND PAY ATTENTION

Say you bet on 0 for 37 spins. If you have "random accuracy", you will win 1 in 37 spins. The payout is 35-1 so in 37 spins you get back 35 chips PLUS your original bet. This leaves you with 36 chips every 37 spins. This is a -1 loss, and the house edge is 1/37 = 2.7%

Really basic, right?

Now consider this....

Say we have any of these sequences of numbers:

1,2,3,4,5
3,3,3,3,3
1,3,1,3,1,3
33,33,33,33,33
9,8,7,6,5,4

Looks like a trend, right? An obvious "trot"? Hot numbers? Call it whatever you want..... But guess what. The odds of any number spinning next is still 1 in 37.

Don't believe me? Do some proper testing. Use the free pattern tester I published. Test billions of spin if you like and you'll see after all your efforts to find patterns, the odds are still just 1 in 37.

So while most of you are chasing your tails and finding fanciful elaborate ways to figure out trends and patterns, in the end, THE ODDS HAVE NOT CHANGED. It doesn't matter what you THINK.

Now compare two systems. One uses the "law of a third" to bet on hot numbers, and the other just chooses random numbers. Which will do better? It just depends on whatever the spins are next. Both of these systems have exactlythe same long-term accuracy though. Both have random accuracy. Both are 1/37 odds.

RANDOM IS THE SAME AS RANDOM. IT MEANS NO f****** ACCURACY AT ALL. THIS MEANS NO ODDS CHANGE, NO RESULT CHANGE. YOU WILL LOSE.

Not knowing this previously doesn't mean you are stupid. But choosing to ignore it does.

Stop wasting your time on random accuracy methods. Sure develop whatever methods you want, but UNDERSTAND RANDOM = RANDOM = NOTHING CHANGES.

Don't be the casino's fool.

Stop re-inventing a broken wheel.

Start looking at NEW approaches.

Test the accuracy of your bet selection. Test properly.

Understand progression is just different size bets with random accuracy. It's the same as a different person making a different bet on a different spin. THE RESULT IS COMBINED, ALL PLAYERS LOSE. The same result if you made the bets yourself.

Take the quiz I created. Anyone who wants to learn will benefit from it.

Understand almost every system is a different elaborate way of achieving the same result: RANDOM ACCURACY.

Understand a test of a few hundred spins tells you NOTHING (unless you have additional supporting data). Even random bets can win over 1,000 spins. Even a genuine winning system can LOSE over 1,000 spins.

See the multiplayer-roulette leaderboard and understand that's exactly how a real casino works. The combined overall result is LOSS. There are individual winners and losers. The casino doesn't care who's losing system won only over specific spins. They are making a fool of you.

If you want to continue being the laughing stock of casino owners, ignore this. Otherwise..

PROPERLY TEST YOUR METHOD OF BET SELECTION AND INCREASE ACCURACY OF PREDICTIONS. IF YOU DON'T CHANGE THE ODDS, YOU CHANGE NOTHING.

[3Nine]

Just curious, when will you start looking at NEW approaches? 

[Steve]

Just curious, when will you start looking at NEW approaches?

I already do, but mostly out of interest. There's no urgency because I already have methods that regularly achieve 30-80% edge. Do I need better? And besides I have several other businesses and don't rely solely on roulette.

For example, the software I released for free to test precognition. It's not as out-there as people think. there is enough supporting evidence to indicate it may be viable. And certainly more viable than "law of a third".

[MoneyT101]

I already do, but mostly out of interest. There's no urgency because I already have methods that regularly achieve 30-80% edge. Do I need better? And besides I have several other businesses and don't rely solely on roulette.

For example, the software I released for free to test precognition. It's not as out-there as people think. there is enough supporting evidence to indicate it may be viable. And certainly more viable than "law of a third".

Why dont you share one of these methods that make 30%?  It would really help out many of the people in this forum that have no idea what to look for.....

[Steve]

ARE SOME SYSTEMS BETTER THAN OTHERS?

Technically, the answer depends on what you're trying to achieve.

But if your goal is to profit long-term, then almost every system is much the same.

They have random accuracy. And sometimes they use progression, which is still random accuracy but with different bet size.

So what determines whether a system wins or loses?.... The next spins. They can either be suitable or unsuitable for a system. You can do well some days, or poorly other days. Some weeks will be good, some will be bad.

On the good weeks, you think your system works. On the bad weeks, you think you need a better system. Why not tweak a few rules... Maybe it will be better. No. It's the same thing with different packaging.

[Steve]

Why dont you share one of these methods that make 30%?  It would really help out many of the people in this forum that have no idea what to look for.....

Already I give free methods that work on my sites. The better methods and technology are sold at a worthwhile price. Should I give them free too?

People that don't know any better call them a "scam". I didn't develop my methods to sell. I developed them to use them myself. The only method/technology i use now is my hybrid roulette computer because that's the best I have.

The physics is not complicated. Anyone who thinks its a scam has no idea. Ball bounce is quite predictable. Ball fall points are quite predictable. Rotor deceleration and ball fall times are predictable. Put it together. The knee bone's connected to the ..... it's really f****** basic. Except modelling the ball deceleration, which is quite complicated to achieve optimal accuracy.

But people sometimes don't like the idea of what they do, although we only use them legally. Like Turbo who feels I'm ripping off the casino, legal or not. My take on that is "Oh the poor, poor casinos. Only if I'd just leave them alone to rip off billions from desperate people trying to pay bills".

I dont expect anyone to use my methods. They arent for everyone. I have been saying for years I believe the future of roulette prediction is actually precognition, which have even greater potential. For one thing, it can be applied to any game.

I recently read "TheLaw" make a comment about my computers being a scam. Its another person who believes he's an expert about something he has no experience with. Then he said my precognition approach made my "scam" even worse (despite it being a free and open project for everyone). Then he praised other methods that are guaranteed to lose. The level of stupidity and ignorance is astounding.

Anyway I created a thread with my suggestions which have nothing to do with methods I currently use. I do not care if people don't want to use computers or traditional AP. There are likely other ways of increasing accuracy of predictions. I'm just sincerely trying to help people.

[Steve]

I explain basics that every casino knows. I provide detailed information. It is mostly ignored.

I published free techniques that actually work.

I released free software so anyone can properly test if their "bet selection" increases accuracy.

I released free software for everyone to test precognition. It uses algorithms which have since been removed from the internet by a credible research organization. They found the algorithm significantly enhanced accuracy of precognition.

There's more and really I'm trying to help people.

[maestro]

do you have a video where you in person go to casino and use one of your devices to get 30% to 80% edge...or you just spining wheel in your living room...because me i do similar thing to you ...i cook at home in the kitchen and i am good at cooking but if i go to restaurant and want to work as cook i would not last a second..

[cht]

Already I give free methods that work on my sites. The better methods and technology are sold at a worthwhile price. Should I give them free too?

If your system makes boatloads of money why would you still think of collecting money from fellow punters ?

Payment in lieu of effort and time is still money based. There's commercial intent to it.

What should concern you is if your method is made public where too many punters play your method will this change the game on offer, will the casino take defensive action to block the application of your method - that's the main concern.

[Steve]

do you have a video where you in person go to casino and use one of your devices to get 30% to 80% edge

No. I don't go into casinos much anymore. Instead I sit at home with coffee watching live video of my players in the casino. My hybrid computer streams video outside the casino, and my servers analyze the video to predict winning numbers. Predictions are sent back to players in the casino. I have lots of those sessions recorded. I did publish some of it once. But I wont anymore because it can be used against my teams in many ways.

Usually I keep a recording for a few days in case the player has questions. Then I permanently erase them. But almost every day there are new ones.

Even if I showed you, of course some people would say things like "maybe youi can only beat that one rare wheel". But the truth is we have never, ever failed to beat a single live dealer wheel.

or you just spining wheel in your living room

The same wheel in a living room will behave the same way in a casino. You will cook the same meal in any kitchen if you have the same ingredients and tools, right? I have three wheels. A Huxley Mk2, Mk7, and Mk with Velstone ball track. I mostly use the mk7 with velstone because it is hardest to beat. Usually it is significantly harder to beat than average casino wheels. Partly because I deliberately use the bouncier balls for my demos (no point in making it too easy). Difficulty of wheels more depends on how vigilant casino staff are with wheel maintenance and calibration, and analysis of results. Most staff have no clue.

[Steve]

If your system makes boatloads of money why would you still think of collecting money from fellow punters ?

Say you developed a few cars for your own use. Some are simple and slow, and some are powerful and fast.

Which would you drive?

What would you do with the less powerful ones? Would it be more viable to let them sit and rust, or sell them?

My technology ranges between $1500 - $80,000. They are not cheap. Especially anyone considering the $80,000 version does proper research. In fact it is my requirement that anyone buying it must see a personal demo. In a day I show them everything so they know exactly what they're getting. So they are sure, and there are no surprises. Everyone that has seen it has it.

What should concern you is if your method is made public where too many punters play your method will this change the game on offer, will the casino take defensive action to block the application of your method - that's the main concern.

Not really because:

* There are far more casinos and typical losing players than players using my technology.

* Casinos already know computers are a threat. But they are comparatively rare. The vast majority of players lose. 20,000 losing players who lost $500 in a day is no comparison to the one computer team that won $10,000 in a day.

* The attitudes of casinos are basically if they suspect anyone of using a computer, they just close bets earlier until the players leave. Problem solved for them. No bashing, no banning, just simple counter-measures.

* It's very easy for an organized team to earn substantial sums before coming close to detection. Have you ever seen how many chips from losing players get pushed down the hole after a spin? It's not hard to avoid detection.

If it weren't for casino surveillance, it would be easy to win millions every day. The limit to winnings depends on casino surveillance. In most casinos you can do between $5000 - $10,000 per session without a major problem. But you cant do it every day at the same casino. At other casinos, even $50,000 in a session without being detected is ok. But again you cant just keep doing it day after day at the same casino.

[cht]

No. I don't go into casinos much anymore. Instead I sit at home with coffee watching live video of my players in the casino. My hybrid computer streams video outside the casino, and my servers analyze the video to predict winning numbers. Predictions are sent back to players in the casino. I have lots of those sessions recorded. I did publish some of it once. But I wont anymore because it can be used against my teams in many ways.

Can anyone confirm if continuous live video streaming of the roulette wheel & ball is allowed at their local b&m casino ?

My local b&m casino does not allow any photos taken inside the casino let alone live video streaming.

However, they do allow the use of phones at their electronic machines, but not at their manual tables.

[Steve]

Can anyone confirm if continuous live video streaming of the roulette wheel & ball is allowed at their local b&m casino ?

It is never "allowed" because it is a threat. But it is still "legal" in about half of casinos. There are rules, and there's law. They are different things.

You can be asked to leave, but not charged, if you are using a computer legally. We NEVER use them illegally. It's not worth the hassle when there are legal casinos.

Keep in mind if you are consistent winner with ANY method, one way or another the casino wont tolerate it. If you are constantly winning even with random bets:

First they'll study what you are doing. If it's likely luck, they'll give you a free room, free drinks and whatever to keep you playing to lose your winnings.

If you are likely an advantage player, they will change whatever conditions are required to make you lose or leave. And if all else fails, they'll just ask you to leave.

[ignatus]

They have random accuracy. And sometimes they use progression, which is still random accuracy but with different bet size.

So what determines whether a system wins or loses?.... The next spins. They can either be suitable or unsuitable for a system. You can do well some days, or poorly other days. Some weeks will be good, some will be bad.

On the good weeks, you think your system works. On the bad weeks, you think you need a better system. Why not tweak a few rules... Maybe it will be better. No. It's the same thing with different packaging.

I hear you complaining a lot, Steve, still i haven't seen you come up with *anything* of value/ "practical advice" when it comes to creation of roulette-systems/strategies? Well, we hear the same old story- from "professionals"

*Flatbet (do not use long negative progression, --Max 1 step in negative progression, or else use positive progression)
*Bet the wheel / (Wheel-sectors?) only,

(This i read from your site Steve, and yes? That is good "advice")

Add to this list i can agree to certain "good advices" from "Mr.J" for an example

*Bet Max 1-4 numbers (That was His final advice) And certain Flatbettors, would agree, (more or less?) , when it comes to flatbetting? I myself have done testings and yes, when it comes to flatbetting, this is true (more than 5 numbers bet the chart will in most cases go down) anyone who done some basic testing in RX knows this to be true...

So bet-size do matter- betselection do matter (atleast we imagine,?) Progression or Flatbet do matter- yes,

We know these "professional advices" to be true, why don't we use them?? -idk? Perhaps out of boredom we create new systems, that would not work with "professional advice"--And still, I know , we know, what matters, oh i forgot one last , perhaps the most important "advice" and that is;

*MONEYMANAGEMENT, this is also key to winning or losing, (short term, & long term) The art of knowing what Bankroll to use, and What Wingoal/stoploss to use when playing to maximize profits and minimise losses, (adapted to the particular system you're playing)
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[Steve]

I hear you complaining a lot, Steve, still i haven't seen you come up with *anything* of value/ "practical advice" when it comes to creation of roulette-systems/strategies? Well, we hear the same old story- from "professionals"

I mean, really? It's plastered all over my sites. Start with this:

*Flatbet (do not use long negative progression, --Max 1 step in negative progression, or else use positive progression)

You don't "need" to flat bet. My teams use progression often. It's just that if a system cant first win with flat bets, it wont win with progression either.

"Winning" is not just a positive result after 50 spins. Even random bets can easily do that.

*Bet the wheel / (Wheel-sectors?) only,

Not "always" wheel sectors. I mean you can have bias on segregated individual numbers. That's technically wheel sectors too though.

The betting table has NOTHING to do with the wheel or the winning numbers. Winning numbers are determined ONLY BY THE WHEEL. So that's all you should look at.

*Bet Max 1-4 numbers (That was His final advice)

The optimal amount of numbers to cover depends on the wheel's specific patterns. They are all different. Optimal could be anywhere from 5-18. I'm not talking about "edge" because its not everything. More important is "profit per hour".

For example if there are 3 areas of the wheel where the ball is most likely to land, you could bet on 1 number in each of the 3 areas - this will give the highest "edge". But often the ball may just miss your bet by 1 pockets. So it is better to cover perhaps 5 numbers per area (15 numbers). A perfect example of this is in the video here:

This is with a computer, but the same principle applies to other approaches.

(more than 5 numbers bet the chart will in most cases go down) anyone who done some basic testing in RX knows this to be true...

If a system doesn't work, the more you bet, the faster you'll lose. That's probably all you're finding.

So bet-size do matter- betselection do matter (atleast we imagine,?) Progression or Flatbet do matter- yes,

Bet size only controls the rate at which you win or lose - depending on if your system works or not.

Many people think increasing bets will win back losses. Sure it can, with luck. But you have a greater possibility of losing even more. You just cannot take shortcuts by using progression. That's all progression is - an attempted short-cut, and it doesn't work.

We know these "professional advices" to be true, why don't we use them?? -idk? Perhaps out of boredom we create new systems, that would not work with "professional advice"

Yes I get the boredom thing. But isn't it better to spend spare time on NEW approaches??

*MONEYMANAGEMENT, this is also key to winning or losing, (short term, & long term) The art of knowing what Bankroll to use, and What Wingoal/stoploss to use when playing to maximize profits and minimise losses, (adapted to the particular system you're playing)

No, money management is basically useless. Why? Because how do you know when to stop when accuracy is just random? Random, random, random. You could think your stop loss prevents further loss. But you may just be stopping bets before a huge winning streak. How can you know? It's all just random.

Everything comes back to you must change the odds.