Statistics and physics

[Roulettebeater]

You talk fuzzy with no example just like a TROLL
I think your knowledge is crap as you can not prove you point knowing anything about visual ballistics.
Is fun to teach when you know they know nothing and i know it all

Here is another way - set the metronome at 1 sec and watch where the ball is on the ball track each time the metronome vibrate
At the beginning you will see the ball at different places on the ball track

When ball two vibration meet and ball is in the same spot at the ball track - then ball has made exactly 1 sec
At this moment you will have 9 sec until ball hit dominant deflector

This way is not working with todays wheels as it predict to late during spin and you will have No More Bets calling
But i have news for you - you can set the metronome at:

1.0
0.9
0.8
0.7
0.6
0.5

And predict before No More Bets - i have test 0.5 and is hard to visually see when ball divide being faster and slower then 0.5 sec - but it can be done with practice - 0.8 is more easy and predict more early then 1.0

Maybe you have a hard time to understand this and find it to complicated - no worry i will explain again

You set the thumper to 0.8 sec and watch the ball position on the ball track each time the metronome vibrate
First ball will be at different places - but when ball is once faster then 0.8 and once slower then 0.8 moment - then it looks like ball is meeting on the ball track and are at the same spot during two vibration from the metronome.

Cheers

What's wrong with you ?!
Can't you accept critics
I just said your approach is impractical, at least for me because I must bet before ball spun ... understood ?

[psimoes]

Why not go farther back and study dealer signature.
Is he or she right handed, left handed, or ambidextrous.
Do they throw the ball more consistently cw or ccw.
At which table are they dealing, knowing some tables are mirror imaged so pitbosses can watch two tables at the same time.

[denzie]

Why not go farther back and study dealer signature.
Is he or she right handed, left handed, or ambidextrous.
Do they throw the ball more consistently cw or ccw.
At which table are they dealing, knowing some tables are mirror imaged so pitbosses can watch two tables at the same time.

Online it's easy..pick the wheels with one spin direction.(It's A Huge Time Saver Imo ) Now about dealer signature...It's surprisingly how some dealer spin at the (almost) same speed
Which really plays in our advantage

[psimoes]

Yeah thats what I thought. Once the consistencies are figured out, you have more constants and less variables to deal with.

[psimoes]

Like, the ball and rotor speeds are here being seen as too much variable, and a cause for random outcomes, but they are both effects as well. Dealer consistency  makes it easier to predict where the ball will land.

[DoctorSudoku]

I am a software engineer and have good experience in handling big data and data modelling.

Denzie, i am a software engineer, my expertise is big data and data analysis.

Are the two of you the same person with two different user names?

[Roulettebeater]

Guys, think of it again..
For every result you have only one combination of rotor &ball speed.

But every combination of speed can produce up to 36 different results, one per each Nummer... so If we can capture all the combinations we will be able to predict the result

[ego]

 It does not matter that the visual read is different number as ball/rotor had same speed - so distance is same for each combination or pattern...
Every number when placing bets will be different - but pocket distance stay the same - so it no like you say with 37 degree freedom.

If you make a list of 10 patterns combinations - then many will repeat for the next 10 - same with metronome
I test this on Cammegh video spins and Bob Gordons video spins

Physics is sometimes easy to describe - if you have rotor speed around 3.0 sec and average ball speed - then all does spins will have same overall pattern for medium spin - that would mean four laps with ball passing reference deflector when rotor has made one full rotation.

I understand the confusion here - assume you would take three reference numbers and then exact same reference number match again
Then you would have the exact same rotor position and exact same ball speed so distance would end up on same sector or area on the wheel with same numbers.

Same as i describe above but sector or area will be different - but distance with pockets from visual read to drop point will be same.

Cheers

[Roulettebeater]

It does not matter that the visual read is different number as ball/rotor had same speed - so distance is same for each combination ...
Every number when placing bets will be different - but pocket distance stay the same - so it no like you say with 37 degree freedom.

This is the second time you misunderstand my approach..
In Short, the combination of possible  roulette numbers is huge..endless ! But the combination /tuple of speeds is numbered... you got it ?

[Turner]

Roulettbeater (AKA kingmaq) can I draw your attention to this forum rule

8. No multiple IDs - if you are found to have multiple accounts on the forum, all will be removed unless you have permission from admin.

You dont have permission.

I will offer you this. Which name do you wish to continue with and I will ban the other

[Roulettebeater]

Roulettbeater (AKA kingmaq) can I draw your attention to this forum rule

8. No multiple IDs - if you are found to have multiple accounts on the forum, all will be removed unless you have permission from admin.

You dont have permission.

I will offer you this. Which name do you wish to continue with and I will ban the other

Hi turner, you are a great moderator with and without hat ;$)

Sorry for this ;(

I would like to continue using this account "roulettebeater".

Bye

[Turner]

Hi turner, you are a great man with and without hat ;$)

Sorry for this ;(

I would like to continue using this account "roulettebeater".

Bye

nay problemo

Its a partial ban so kingmaq cant log in. your IPs arnt blocked

[cht]

Seriously, after reading the discussion above, it gives me a headache becos you guys make it so theorectically complicated like learning some astrophysics rocket science in a prestigious uni. If I was to approach AP this way surely I'll give up by now.

To me the main objective is to simplify things as much as possible. When faced with difficult complicated obstacles don't try to solve them with complex equations, just AVOID like the plague that's the best simple effective strategy.

Put up a must have list that includes everything that must be present before the dealer spins the ball.

Next, there's a short must have list when the dealer launches the ball.

For the second list you must make that decision in a split of a second, yes no or maybe ?? Go for the bet or abort with 5secs to go whether the right conditions exist or not. And this call need lots of practice to not make mistakes.

I don't use computers, just my eyes and I coordinate with my partner where I cover half the job and he does the other half. That's it.

Maybe I'm stupid IDK but that's how I do this AP stuff, a little equipment bias, a little dealer signature, a little VB covering the IMPORTANT aspects that determine the final outcome.

Find out with your eyes what those IMPORTANT things are then create your own must have list. This differs from casino to casino and from wheel to wheel. You have to watch a lot of wheels, dealers and how the ball behave to learn this. It's not one size fits all kind of thing, so complicated equations won't do the job. Every wheel combined with every dealer gives it's own outcome, no equation can do that.

The most difficult part is not to beat the wheel. The most difficult part is to beat the mfarking casino !

Hahaha, that's from 3days of 8hrs practical experience. Don't listen to me !!!

[cht]

Yeah thats what I thought. Once the consistencies are figured out, you have more constants and less variables to deal with.

Hey psimoes, you are definitely on the right track. More constants and less variables to deal with is the way to go. 

Watch the wheel closely, SEE what contributes to chaos. There're plenty, identify them one by one what effect it might have. How to overcome them ? Best simple solution is to AVOID.

[ego]

If you want easy i can give you easy

The issue with the ball and ball speed is that during the ball journey is very sensitiv - maybe ball travel 16 sec and many things can happen during that time - we call it duration and quality of the ball track

So simple solution like taking release number and observe spin strength from slow, medium or fast is not working and give random results
You have to understand that during the first phase of the spin the ball is chaotic and is not rolling smooth on the ball track
So when spin and ball speed is different then the chaotic state last for different periods of time before starting to rolling on the ball track

Here is one good example of this problem with good visual ballistic solution

Lets say you have a reference deflector that is based upon what kind of dominant drop zone you have
Then when dealer spin the ball you wait until the ball pass your reference deflector the second time and take the dealers release number
Same for each spin

After you have taking the dealers release number you wait for two laps to pass and then take a second reference number and again wait two laps and then take a third release number
Now you get three numbers sequence - a number pattern - when this pattern repeat you will have the same rotor speed and same ball speed
You will also have the same rotor position and distance from your visual read (last reference number) to drop point
So the ball will at most times end up in the same sector or area of the wheel with the same number as the past spin with the same sequence pattern

But remember what i told you about how sensitiv the ball is during that early journey on the ball track
It still at chaotic state and after you have got your sequence pattern then the ball might start to rolling smooth on the ball track
And is then you should estimate and predict the ball speed

Now there is a solution for everything
You can start to notice where they say No More Bets for example six laps before drop
Assume the average spin is around 16 to 20 laps
Then you can skip certain amount of laps from the beginning of the spin to avoid the chaotic state and predict later
Now you just follow the same path for each spin - for example say you skip the first five spins then take release number on lap six for each spin collecting your number sequence patterns

This will make a big difference how well the wheel mapping method will work and your ability to predict the correct sector
No device and only eye observations

You can collect 20 number sequence patterns and play does who repeat
Then you have four number patterns - first release number, second reference number, third reference number and final outcome

Cheers