Breakout System

[nottophammer]

Hi IG
sorry poor images, but i like the idea of you now using the wheel for your methods.
Ok lets step back in time, to when in europe the wheel was like the American wheel, read some where that blanc bros wanted to attract more custom, so made the present euro wheel.
Did the 0/00 wheels really get shipped over to the USA? or just the design?
Anyway, think about it, you're going to design a new wheel, they come up with the 0 design of today, why did they not change the mat? as we see there still the same.

So whilst designing the euro ring, they'd have to check every combination of bets, to see faults or possible advantages to the players. So has every combo been checked, have they missed just one combo bet? imagine finding a bet selection that made just 1 unit all the time, you'd just need 1 win a day.

Some time ago someone posted in maacu a wheel exactly like the mat, don't believe it's still there, would the wheel being the same order as the mat make it any easier to win?

[Noreilles]

Hi Ignatus.

After "testing" the system on old spins  and liking what I saw, I decided to give it a try with real money.

Started Sunday night, initial BR of $60 (so started out with either +60 or -60 as a session objective). I play online, so I play the system "hit and run" style: 1 win per table or until the trigger is spent as per the rules you put in 1st post, including stop on 0.

First game went extremely well, since I won all 3 tables on 1st bet, so a +72 win. Next game was a little more back and forth (went twice to my last bet), but finished with my +60; end of day 1 at 192 (+132).

Yesterday was Thanksgiving here in Canada, so I had more time to play (changed my objective to +/- 72): won 3 games at +72, changed objective to +/- 108 but lost 2 games in a row  so lowered objective again to +/- 72, won another one, lost again, then won 3 (+84,+72,+84) and called it a day, BR now at 432.

Today raised objective again to +/-108 and after 4 games (W,L,W,W) my BR is now 648. So after 17 games, that's 4 losses and 12 wins for +588... so my winrate is a bit lower than yours at 75% but it gets the job done!

What can I say but thanks!

I'll keep you updated every few days on the W/L ratio if you're interested.

My advice to anyone who wants to try it:

• even though I didn't follow this rule, I suggest an initial BR of 3 times your game objective (so if you aim for +60, initial BR should be 180)
• don't go higher than +/- 108 units as a game objective, otherwise the drawdown can take a LONG time to climb out of
• manage your BR wisely... before upping your unit value, I suggest at least 4 or 5 BR (I'll wait for a total BR of 800 before upping my unit value to $2, and $1500 for $3 should I get there)
• remember to follow the rules; I know it sucks leaving a trigger after a 0 hits for example (especially when it's the 3rd one in a row on 3 different tables; and no, I still managed to win that game...), but do it anyway
• Agressive way to play (I do it now that my BR is padded): if I get to a table, and there's an active trigger with 1 or 2 losses already (say, numbers 3, 26 (active trigger), 20), I'll use the trigger and bet 2 units per number on my 1st bet only that way on a win I win +48 and if I lose I use the trigger only once more at 1 unit per number (unless I lost with a 0, then I switch table).

[ignatus]

Hi Ignatus.

After "testing" the system on old spins  and liking what I saw, I decided to give it a try with real money.

Today raised objective again to +/-108 and after 4 games (W,L,W,W) my BR is now 648. So after 17 games, that's 4 losses and 12 wins for +588... so my winrate is a bit lower than yours at 75% but it gets the job done!

What can I say but thanks!

I'll keep you updated every few days on the W/L ratio if you're interested.

Hi Noreilles

That's amazing!!  I say thank you for testing and playing and reminding me that this one works, in real conditions, in real casinos, (i will consider playing this also, ....but i'll do more testings first),

and YES, i want to know about your progress with this one!! 

[kingmaq]

Finally a system that can turn the tables on the casinos

[Steve]

How do you know it wasn't luck? Every day millions of players achieve even better results with random bets.

[kingmaq]

How do you know it wasn't luck? Every day millions of players achieve even better results with random bets.

Of course is luck, this system can win as long as you lucky, once you are unlucky you can either give the money back + interests to the house or give your entire bankroll to the house

[ignatus]

How do you know it wasn't luck?

Guess im lucky then, and start focus on this one and do more testings, an average of 70%-80% winrate usually is the stats from a decent "random bet" , but this was not entirely "random"?, since it's based upon that idea that after 2-3 hits on one side of the wheel, the other side should be hit, and yes? it's a fallacy, but then hitrate is not so bad....we'll see,..

[ignatus]

HIT & RUN System

12*6 = 72u BR
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1*72= 72u (1u bets)

5*72= 360u (5u bets)

25*72= 1800u (25u bets)

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+TRIGGER= *2 Triggers* (3 hits) of the same side of the wheel,
(before betting the Other side of the wheel)

+QUIT After any *2 wins* in a row -A "win" is a hit within spin 1-2 (out of 3)
(IF BR is *positive* or else contine play until 2 hits in a row, until BR is positive)

+QUIT After BR is lost (OR After 2 losses in a row)

8/10 Games won (played with 5u bets)

[ignatus]

calculating wins/losses (from the Hit & Run sessions)

losses
-360
-360
======
-720

wins
+180
+240
+240
+60
+240
+180
+180
+120
======
+1440


Total= +720u

[kingmaq]

calculating wins/losses (from the Hit & Run sessions)

losses
-360
-360
======
-720

wins
+180
+240
+240
+60
+240
+180
+180
+120
======
+1440


Total= +720u

Finally a system that can win, win and keep winning untill the point when it loses and then it loses BIG

[ignatus]

Finally a system that can win, win and keep winning untill the point when it loses and then it loses BIG

I played with 5u bets in my example, if you want to take a less risk play with smaller stakes 1u--> divide all my calculations and results by 5.

80% winrate for a FLATBET system, is not bad, even if it would sometime preform worse than that, i believe it can be profitable,...as has been proved by noreilles...

[ignatus]

losses
-360
-360
======
-720

wins
+180
+240
+240
+60
+240
+180
+180
+120
======
+1440

Total= +720u

...untill the point when it loses and then it loses BIG

Take this example, (or your own mm) then you can calculate the worst case scenario, --it would take 2-3 more losses to break even or a drawdown (5/10) or (6/10)  sure these events CAN happen, ....test it yourself, and see? how many 7/10 or 8/10 you got ... etc

[ignatus]

My second full "hit and run"/system i've got a 9/10. 

[ignatus]

calculating wins/losses (from the SECOND Hit & Run sessions)

losses
-360
======
-360

wins
+180
+180
+120
+120
+120
+120
+120
+120
+180
======
+1260


Total= +900u

[ignatus]

Here a system (18 numbers) that wins flatbet ... will your system survive and come ahead after thousands of spins?

Idk? and it doesn't matter? i don't play 1000s of spins, real play, i go for 2 hits or 2 losses then im done. and it has been working good so far, if you gonna critizise me, then you can come up with data...speculation is useless

i've done my testings, and i've shown my results...that's all i can do, ? Can you show your data (about This system, not yours?)  Start your own thread if you want to discuss another system? And furthermore, someone just won real money playing this system, ?...