The Denzie Way

[ego]

My opinion is that human ability is much better versus roulette computer
But it would be nice with some discussion about it where Steve are more then welcome to tell us hes view on things

For example lets say i pick the vertical reference deflector that will be the first one to donate ball jumps into the same directions as the other vertical deflectors after it
Now we can not know what deflector will hit - but we can skip the vertical deflector that does not hit and get a spread with three active vertical deflectors hit wish donate ball jumps into the same direction

Assume i can measuring ball speed and get distance from visual read (point A) to hit my reference deflector or one deflector after it (point B)
Then i will maybe get ball jumps with a spread around 65% of the wheel area - that is more then half the wheel with wide scatter patterns using a three deflector game

Then how do i notice short ball jumps - medium ball jumps and large ball jumps - i can not cover that big area or spread
Now i come to the conclusion that if you divide the wheel into three medium sectors from your visual read - then you get three areas
Then we would notice where ball will favour two areas to hit more frequent then others where a bias or peak will emerge
And now we would know where to place our bets

If this assumptions are correct - then how would a computer deal with such situation - i talk to some one who use a roulette computer and he say that deflector hits does not matter and you only need measuring ball speed and distance - if that is true i still don't see how you get around the wide spread of ball jumps with conditions where one wheel has three vertical deflectors hitting eight to nine times out of ten.

What does a roulette computer calculate during the process collecting data - it has to be more to it then average peaks to decide where to place bets -

Cheers

[Lucky7Red]

Hi there VB guys, how is your lucky day today?

[Steve]

Humans cant measure ball and rotor speed with 1ms accuracy. They can't mentally calculate slight changes.

Computers can do far more and without any effort

Computers can be simple or complicated

[Roulettebeater]

Humans cant measure ball and rotor speed with 1ms accuracy. They can't mentally calculate slight changes.

Computers can do far more and without any effort

Computers can be simple or complicated

what if use the spin's results to estimate the speed of ball&rotor?

[Steve]

You can estimate with limitations. Whether or not it's enough depends on many variables

[cht]

I don't know where to post this. I think this is the thread since I started VB from denzie.

MrPerfect started a thread today on Roulette30 "VB is like shrek...." This post gives a glimpse into VB, you might want to take a look.

link:://forum.x/index.php?topic=1879.msg26765#msg26765

and this thread started a week ago,

link:://forum.x/index.php?topic=1872.0

[denzie]

Thx cht....One of the best links of this forum 

[DoctorSudoku]

I don't know about you guys, but for most of us who play in brick-and-mortar casinos where computers are NOT allowed, betting according to any (perceived) dealer signature is more doable (and maybe more effective) than all this VB stuff.

[ego]

I don't know about you guys, but for most of us who play in brick-and-mortar casinos where computers are NOT allowed, betting according to any (perceived) dealer signature is more doable (and maybe more effective) than all this VB stuff.

Well DoxtorSudoku some members can not see the difference - for example highlight garbage links and give hints about something they know nothing about - a VB method can easy become a Wheel Signature method ...
There is a known method at other forum - a visual ballistic method or what you call VB method that estimate rotor and ball speed.
This particular method needs timer or some kind of device to measuring time just like a stop watch
The method is simple but give very good results

Now assume most of the user of this VB method search for one particular range of rotor speed to get the easy way to predict ball speed with help of rotor and its numbers using observation and timer
So it depends on certain condition to perform well

Lets say you try to time the ball at 1.2 sec to get one full estimation using ball and rotor combination to get the good condition to become true
With much slower rotor speed or much faster rotor speed this method reference time change during the estimation process so you need to change strategy and adapt to the new condition and situation

Now see how a hybrid change all does parameters becoming a visual ballistic wheel signature - but still VB as you call it - but with better solution
I name it signature as that is what you will see emerge as results
Now lets say you mapping the wheel using the same estimation process i describe about with the VB method
Assume you skip the timer and use a thumper (metronome that vibrates with your mobile phone) and set it to 0.5 sec
So each time you observe the wheel and make a visual read and estimation following the same rules as the VB method with the help or a thumper you might have slow, medium or fast rotor speed and you timings will be different for each spin
You write down the results (mapping) and note each distance and outcome for each result
Now lets say you got 10 medium spins where most of them give you four vibration during the estimation phase and around plus/minus 10 pocket distance to drop point
Then the other results are erratic and with fast and slow rotor where you get other timings and pocket distance and no repeats of the mapping results
Then does who repeat and gave same timings when mapping results give a signature with distance with minus/plus 10 pockets

So you get a same solution as VB - but you don't force you self to find the right conditions - you let the dealer and wheel and that particular day decide what will be most common and give you the option to play that present signature after mapping
So you chart and track all ball speed and rotor combinations and see how the sweet speed unfold or the NORM

With other words you find that particular wheels/dealer weakness

If you want to learn this way of play you can PM me - i will not write about more details then i have as members don't understand the value of it

Cheers

[Roulettebeater]

There Is an Old Chinese Proverb That Says ‘A Man Without a good working system Must Never play roulette’
So why do so many miserable people play roulette?

[Madi]

And the reality is chinise people play roulette without any system, without any math. And they win big  everyday all day.

[RouletteGhost]

My local casino is all airball

Large Asian crowd usually

They always win big on roulette

I asked a Chinese woman how she kept winning thousands on the airball machine. She said “you just know”

[Roulettebeater]

 I guess because they play number 8, simply because its name “ba”, sounds similar to the word “fa” which means “to make a fortune” in chinese... you got it? 

[DoctorSudoku]

And the reality is chinise people play roulette without any system, without any math. And they win big  everyday all day.

Large Asian crowd usually    They always win big on roulette

Rich and Madi,

You / we have a tendency  to notice (as a consequence of basic human nature) when people win big at roulette, baccarat, or whatever else -- maybe because when people win money , especially in public settings, they exhibit easily noticeable signals that people around them observe and remember.

However, what about all those times when they are keeping quiet and silent while they are losing even BIGGER amounts?

In fact, I would hazard a guess that these losing episodes far outnumber (in terms of frequency of occurrence) and far outweigh (in terms of monetary amounts) those winning episodes that you guys notice and remember so easily.

Just my .02 cents on this issue.

[cht]

I don't know about you guys, but for most of us who play in brick-and-mortar casinos where computers are NOT allowed, betting according to any (perceived) dealer signature is more doable (and maybe more effective) than all this VB stuff.

I have said it earlier and the purpose why I posted the link is to re-emphasise my experience with real money AP play at b&m casino.

1. That is a little wheel bias, a little dealer signature plus a little visual ballistics goes a long way.

2. I sense from reading others post is they tend to get too technical and theorectical with VB. To clarify, VB discussion tends to be academic, theorectical and scientifically right which has to follow some universal VB rules else it's seen as rubbish VB.

I think differently. Whatever method used has to be simple yet effective to achieve the intended objective, that's to predict the final outcome no matter if they don't fulfil traditional VB rules to qualify as VB or voodoo.

To me a lot of things need to be done within 5secs from spin to nmb at my casino, so what's effective that works gets my thumbsup, not this tradional VB rules or some deep theorectical, technical or scientific stuff which is all good but useless to me cos I'm in this plainly for the money, period.

For the record, today the real money play 1st session is 10spins 7correct, 3 fail, 2nd session 6correct 1fail - the use of my voodoo combo described above and aptly discussed in detail at roulette30 links. I guess I am just lucky and I'm bound to lose   biggie when the time comes 

Help yourself if you're(rhetorical you) thinking of making money OR enjoy this technical, theorectical, scientific, logical, which is the best and genuine VB method discussion, the choice is yours.