Qustion for longterm losers.

[Andre Chass]

I just bought Roulette Prediction & Calculator Pro for $ 50. Has anyone tried it yet?

[Roulettebeater]

Casino's are not foolish. Everything they do is calculated by far.

yeah, i also think so.
by the way how it comes that computers are legal somewhere and player should sign an agreement for it?
Does that mean casino know that computers will not beat the wheel consistenly?

[Roulettebeater]

Roulette Prediction & Calculator Pro

I have no experience with this, but it seems work only on andorid.
are you using it on your phone only?

[Roulettebeater]

It's not difficult to win on some online live dealer wheels.

BUT if you can win I bet the casino will activate some restrictive action against you.

Today my offday, so I tested on Dragonara wheel with real money play and after won twice with one loss the video and buttons were disturbed. 

Do you also notice the payout list is small ?

So, forget about online casino. They cheat and they won't pay you.

I don't agree with you, it simply depends.
not all online casino are run by idiots, some are nice especially the big ones.

[Mortagon]

So, forget about online casino. They cheat and they won't pay you.

Does Mortagon agree to this sentence

Not all.

[denzie]

Online casino's have a bad rap . But if you play the ones approved by the GAMING COMMISSION you never have a problem!

Note....The others don't give full access to investigate there wheels or whatever Soooo. ..They dont get a license. And come on the black list.

[cht]

Here's what I experienced that lead to why I think this casino that I play at cheats -

1. From spin launch to nmb is normally stable at 8-5 secs. This was suddenly changed to erractic times between 5-0secs. There was also cases when spin launched after nmb.

2. The undo button was modified. Normally the 1st click removes the latest bet and the 2nd click removes the rest of the bets. This was changed to remove each bet at a time with each click.

3. The history data was not updated. Even after log out and the history cache cleaned then relog in the history was not updated at the same place onwards.

4. I was not allowed to bet for 3spins, but the audio and video showed that the game was still going on.

5. There are some changes that happened at the wheel plus dealer change but I will not share the details.

All this happened after I placed bet to win 2 hands and loss 1 hand plus loss 1 hand which is caused by this changes listed above that I was not aware off at that time when I placed that bet.

I share this details to substantiate why I come to this conclusion of cheat. And since this is a forum of fellow punters, it is beneficial for us to be aware of the going-on playing at online casino and to compare our personal playing experience.

I have spent a short time playing real money at online live dealer casino ie. Dublinbet, and the sole purpose is to test methods with real money bets at home after historical backtest is completed.

I use neteller to fund and withdraw. The withdrawal times both previous done comes through at the max 72hrs. This is my playing experience with this online casino.

[cht]

Addition -

This is the best wheel with the least restrictions among the many live dealer wheels listed on dublinbet. The rest is a lot worse in their own degree of restrictions.

The withdrawal time of 72hrs does not include weekend and holidays.

[DoctorSudoku]

Online casino's have a bad rap . But if you play the ones approved by the GAMING COMMISSION you never have a problem!

Note....The others don't give full access to investigate there wheels or whatever Soooo. ..They dont get a license. And come on the black list.

Denzie,
In terms of honesty and treating players fairly, gaming commissions can vary widely from country to country and from jurisdiction to jurisdiction.

From your comments, I have the impression that the gaming commission in your country of Belgium is one of the good ones.

But that is not necessarily the case for other countries.

That is why you find that players from other countries post the negative comments that they do.

[denzie]

Fair enough. ... No idea how it works in other countries. Anyway choose wisely.

Try unibet, casino777 , bwin, circus, ...

Note...betfair and William Hill are on our black list

[Steve]

pfff, i dont get this!
how it comes that casino legalize the use of computer?
it seems to me so stupid, either they sure that computer cant beat the roulette or they are fool...!!!!

Casinos don't legalize anything. Laws to make something "illegal" must be created by governments. In about half of jurisdictions, the laws are old and define cheating as anything that INFLUENCES game outcomes. Predicting game outcomes is not influencing game outcomes. We know this very well and have written legal advice from lawyers in many jurisdictions.

Laws wont stop most players using computers, so they are not so much a priority for casinos. Although of course casinos are putting pressure on governments to change laws quicker. The casino's first line of defense is detecting consistent winners, then taking action like closing bets earlier. But again its easy to avoid detection. Still its not for everyone. You need to have balls.

Regarding the roulette predictor app, it is designed very poorly. Compare results with the free computer I give. The free computer uses a basic algorithm but still better. Some simple changes to their app would make a big difference.

There are reputable casinos that dont refuse payouts. But they will still change conditions to make you lose or leave. And its harder to avoid detection at online casinos. Anyone who says they win constantly at online casinos with the same account is full of shit. Take william hill for example. Supposedly reputable, but they very often restrict accounts so you cant play roulette.

No casino will tolerate consistently losing. The only way to win consistently is avoid detection.

[Steve]

Also you dont need to be using a computer to be restricted at somewhere like william hill. Any account with reasonable winnings will be restricted... just in case you have a winning method. I know it for a fact because many people complained to me. Why me? Because my sites rank in google they want to contact me to complain. I'm sure other website owners get the complaints too.

[3313]

HI Steve,

Have you played in the US?  Are their roulette wheels (Indian and otherwise) above ground and fair for you to win consistently?   You did state on one of your site that high roller wheels in the US may possibly cheat so I was just wondering.

What is your (team's) take home win threshold on a typical visit in the US and highest and lowest?

Also you state your best win pct for your best comp is 40%.  To my understanding it (win pct) is the total units won divided by the total units wagered.  So if I wagered 1 unit for 100 spins total and I won 55 spins and lost 45 spins giving me a 10 unit (55-45) surplus, my win pct would be 10% (10/100).  Your calculations would require a tad more paperwork given that you do inside bets, but you get my simple explanation.  Are we on the same page with the pct calculation?

[johnb]

Ok the answer of most voted users is YES  . But nobody explain how to play this longterm system, is there any of you to explain in 5 steps what to bet? But please no vb jokes, roulette computers etc.

I don't agree with you, it simply depends.
not all online casino are run by idiots, some are nice especially the big ones.

This is how it works: online casino's  let you grow your account because they know you will eventually succumb under the house edge. You will notice, however, that after you have cashed some or all of your winning, you will NEVER build up winnings anymore. They adjust the algorithm and you will start losing. It is the same story everywhere. Logical, because online is like sticking your dick in a hole in the fence. You do not know for sure what happens on the other side of the fence!

[Tobacco Vanille]

This is how it works: online casino's  let you grow your account because they know you will eventually succumb under the house edge. You will notice, however, that after you have cashed some or all of your winning, you will NEVER build up winnings anymore. They adjust the algorithm and you will start losing. It is the same story everywhere.

I have opened several new accounts over the last 6 months and I had wins at all of them in the beginning playing slots.
My deposits were only £10/£20 and I got back tenfold at each one winning £60/£70 on bonus rounds for a 0.20p stake.
I am not complaining but it does seem like they let you win a bit in the beginning before turning the tap off if you play any of the RNG games.
My theory is that loyal customer 'Joe' comes along and drops £100 and thinks he was unlucky. They pass that £100 on to the newbie and have potentially gained a satisfied new customer. It keeps the customer base growing and cost them nothing.